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		<title>By: Mark Chao</title>
		<link>http://www.tssznews.com/2008/11/16/the-tangent-is-average-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-4862</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Chao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 00:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Wii version has one less level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Wii version has one less level.</p>
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		<title>By: Kits'Okami</title>
		<link>http://www.tssznews.com/2008/11/16/the-tangent-is-average-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-4841</link>
		<dc:creator>Kits'Okami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The political reference was a little out there, but a very good Tangent nonetheless.

I believe that if Sonic&#039;s ever gonna be considered &quot;cool&quot; again, he&#039;d need a slew of exceptionally fantastic games under his belt, games which are too good to be simply labelled &quot;fun&quot; and &quot;average&quot;. Remember, you always get excited when you get something new, games or otherwise, but over time, it&#039;ll grow old and you&#039;ll figure out that it isn&#039;t what you hoped for. In most cases, anyway. This is what I thought when I read AAUK&#039;s impressions on Unleashed just now. He loves it now, but wait until the end of the week. His tune will change...

I&#039;ve been hung, drawn and quartered for thinking that Unleashed, no, Modern Sonic sucks and my attempts to argue with those who have done so have only succeeded in making both sides look so much like n00bs, that we both end up in the wrong and seen as pathetic circus acts to those in the sidelines. And then the day is saved by Soap, who&#039;s probably one of the better interwebbers I&#039;ve seen in my lifetime...

Anyway, I think we all understand that Sonic will never be as good as he used to, partly because SEGA has lost what was left of their talent and sanity over the past couple of years and partly because the fans will never get over the shocks that were Shadow and Sonic 06.

I personally reckon that Sonic needs a complete Spyro-style revamp. And no, I don&#039;t another &quot;Ultimate Sonic Experience&quot; or &quot;Return-to-da-Roots&quot; game like the past few shitpiles were. I mean a complete do-over. Scrap everything and work from the ground up again and treat the development like the start of a new franchise. Whether that worked for Spyro or not, I&#039;m not entirely sure, but I&#039;m almost certain that it&#039;ll give Sonic a breath of fresh air, even if we do lose some of our favourite elements (I know that I&#039;ll miss Blaze the Cat if they ever got rid of her, but that&#039;s irrelevant) &#039;long the way.

Is the return of his former glory possible? No, it&#039;s highly unlikely. Is average good enough? Maybe to some, but it&#039;s not the right answer. What IS the right answer? Since a complete grounds-up reinvention and a fantastic main console game are out of the question, I&#039;d say &quot;God Knows&quot;.

I know one thing, though. Even if I never buy the games again, even if I&#039;ll always see him with a bitter and cynical eye from now on, I, for one, will never stop being a Sonic fan. That&#039;s for certain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The political reference was a little out there, but a very good Tangent nonetheless.</p>
<p>I believe that if Sonic&#8217;s ever gonna be considered &#8220;cool&#8221; again, he&#8217;d need a slew of exceptionally fantastic games under his belt, games which are too good to be simply labelled &#8220;fun&#8221; and &#8220;average&#8221;. Remember, you always get excited when you get something new, games or otherwise, but over time, it&#8217;ll grow old and you&#8217;ll figure out that it isn&#8217;t what you hoped for. In most cases, anyway. This is what I thought when I read AAUK&#8217;s impressions on Unleashed just now. He loves it now, but wait until the end of the week. His tune will change&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been hung, drawn and quartered for thinking that Unleashed, no, Modern Sonic sucks and my attempts to argue with those who have done so have only succeeded in making both sides look so much like n00bs, that we both end up in the wrong and seen as pathetic circus acts to those in the sidelines. And then the day is saved by Soap, who&#8217;s probably one of the better interwebbers I&#8217;ve seen in my lifetime&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, I think we all understand that Sonic will never be as good as he used to, partly because SEGA has lost what was left of their talent and sanity over the past couple of years and partly because the fans will never get over the shocks that were Shadow and Sonic 06.</p>
<p>I personally reckon that Sonic needs a complete Spyro-style revamp. And no, I don&#8217;t another &#8220;Ultimate Sonic Experience&#8221; or &#8220;Return-to-da-Roots&#8221; game like the past few shitpiles were. I mean a complete do-over. Scrap everything and work from the ground up again and treat the development like the start of a new franchise. Whether that worked for Spyro or not, I&#8217;m not entirely sure, but I&#8217;m almost certain that it&#8217;ll give Sonic a breath of fresh air, even if we do lose some of our favourite elements (I know that I&#8217;ll miss Blaze the Cat if they ever got rid of her, but that&#8217;s irrelevant) &#8216;long the way.</p>
<p>Is the return of his former glory possible? No, it&#8217;s highly unlikely. Is average good enough? Maybe to some, but it&#8217;s not the right answer. What IS the right answer? Since a complete grounds-up reinvention and a fantastic main console game are out of the question, I&#8217;d say &#8220;God Knows&#8221;.</p>
<p>I know one thing, though. Even if I never buy the games again, even if I&#8217;ll always see him with a bitter and cynical eye from now on, I, for one, will never stop being a Sonic fan. That&#8217;s for certain.</p>
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		<title>By: Solus</title>
		<link>http://www.tssznews.com/2008/11/16/the-tangent-is-average-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-4838</link>
		<dc:creator>Solus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re just trying to get in better with the bosses. ``And I wrote Solus&#039; article as well!&#039;&#039;

Phos, it&#039;s an awful pun. There isn&#039;t much English on that page, so you should find what brazenly refers to once you know to look for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re just trying to get in better with the bosses. &#8220;And I wrote Solus&#8217; article as well!&#8221;</p>
<p>Phos, it&#8217;s an awful pun. There isn&#8217;t much English on that page, so you should find what brazenly refers to once you know to look for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Bloom</title>
		<link>http://www.tssznews.com/2008/11/16/the-tangent-is-average-enough/comment-page-1/#comment-4836</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I write this in my sleep under a pseudonym when I didn&#039;t realize it?

Or are you a psychic? 

You&#039;ve nailed everything I&#039;ve been thinking about Sonic Unleashed to the point where you sometimes write my thoughts practically word-for-word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I write this in my sleep under a pseudonym when I didn&#8217;t realize it?</p>
<p>Or are you a psychic? </p>
<p>You&#8217;ve nailed everything I&#8217;ve been thinking about Sonic Unleashed to the point where you sometimes write my thoughts practically word-for-word.</p>
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		<title>By: RAD-MAN</title>
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		<dc:creator>RAD-MAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 11:44:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gonna make this short.
I expect Unleashed to be good. Will it have flaws? Hell yes it will. The whole hedgehog engine thing is new. I don&#039;t really expect them to get it right 100% on the first try. But it should be good, and any problems will be solved next time.

Cant wait to play and have a good time enjoying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gonna make this short.<br />
I expect Unleashed to be good. Will it have flaws? Hell yes it will. The whole hedgehog engine thing is new. I don&#8217;t really expect them to get it right 100% on the first try. But it should be good, and any problems will be solved next time.</p>
<p>Cant wait to play and have a good time enjoying it.</p>
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		<title>By: TailstheHedgehog</title>
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		<dc:creator>TailstheHedgehog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 09:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm, dodgy, but the column made some good points.
Are we really getting excited over this game, only because the comparison between this and a certain game in 2006 easily shows SU to be superior. Is it because of Sonics past....problems.... that we are just starving for a half-decent game and are really getting excited over a game that isn&#039;t even that good to the un-biased eye?
hell no
I certainly hope not,  I&#039;m sure this is a step up, even ignoring 06, Sonics getting better. Rush, rush adventure, secret rings, I&#039;m gaining more trust towards Sega, and I really do think this is more than just &#039;decent&#039; or &#039;modest&#039;. Of course I can&#039;t really tell as I haven&#039;t played it myself, I guess were just gonna have to wait that one labourous week ahead of us (or for some us the 2 labourous weeks) and we can make the decision for ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm, dodgy, but the column made some good points.<br />
Are we really getting excited over this game, only because the comparison between this and a certain game in 2006 easily shows SU to be superior. Is it because of Sonics past&#8230;.problems&#8230;. that we are just starving for a half-decent game and are really getting excited over a game that isn&#8217;t even that good to the un-biased eye?<br />
hell no<br />
I certainly hope not,  I&#8217;m sure this is a step up, even ignoring 06, Sonics getting better. Rush, rush adventure, secret rings, I&#8217;m gaining more trust towards Sega, and I really do think this is more than just &#8216;decent&#8217; or &#8216;modest&#8217;. Of course I can&#8217;t really tell as I haven&#8217;t played it myself, I guess were just gonna have to wait that one labourous week ahead of us (or for some us the 2 labourous weeks) and we can make the decision for ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Phos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 07:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My view: Just enough is not.

In fact, for me, mediocre is probably the worst case, because then they won&#039;t be as motivated to change what doesn&#039;t work, or continue to gimp the game in some obscure fashion. 

And what&#039;s the significance of that Japanese blog?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My view: Just enough is not.</p>
<p>In fact, for me, mediocre is probably the worst case, because then they won&#8217;t be as motivated to change what doesn&#8217;t work, or continue to gimp the game in some obscure fashion. </p>
<p>And what&#8217;s the significance of that Japanese blog?</p>
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		<title>By: C4(Squared)</title>
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		<dc:creator>C4(Squared)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 04:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this article. Although the politacal view wasn&#039;t needed - I liked it. Heres my two cents.

Sonic was an advancement in technology. It was made to sell Mega Drives, and you know what? It did both. Based on the adds they where producing, it was the fastest game ever. and you know what, it was the coolest thing some of us had ever seen.

Now we are in 2008. SEGA no longer makes consoles. They are third party now, and don&#039;t have as much money at there disposal as they used to. And, the things Sonic did back then are&#039;nt seen as cool today, because people who get interested in the series today see Sonic differently than we do now.

So now, theres a problem. they are trying to stasfy different groops of people at once. You know what? You can never staisfy everyone. There&#039;s always gonna be someone who things it&#039;s never good enough.

So my point being, SEGA Is trying to do what they can. but theres such a mix of fans that theres never gonna be a Sonic game that everyone likes.

anyhow, whatever. I think I might just be talking my head off.... :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this article. Although the politacal view wasn&#8217;t needed &#8211; I liked it. Heres my two cents.</p>
<p>Sonic was an advancement in technology. It was made to sell Mega Drives, and you know what? It did both. Based on the adds they where producing, it was the fastest game ever. and you know what, it was the coolest thing some of us had ever seen.</p>
<p>Now we are in 2008. SEGA no longer makes consoles. They are third party now, and don&#8217;t have as much money at there disposal as they used to. And, the things Sonic did back then are&#8217;nt seen as cool today, because people who get interested in the series today see Sonic differently than we do now.</p>
<p>So now, theres a problem. they are trying to stasfy different groops of people at once. You know what? You can never staisfy everyone. There&#8217;s always gonna be someone who things it&#8217;s never good enough.</p>
<p>So my point being, SEGA Is trying to do what they can. but theres such a mix of fans that theres never gonna be a Sonic game that everyone likes.</p>
<p>anyhow, whatever. I think I might just be talking my head off&#8230;. <img src='http://www.tssznews.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Aqua Team (Also known as uToobSmeElz)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aqua Team (Also known as uToobSmeElz)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:17:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IMO, SEGA tried their BEST to make the game as good as it could be, but the company is in deep because of Sonic 06&#039;.

The game is good. Period. But CANNOT be considered REALLY GOOD because of standards and stuff.

All I know is, the game is going to sell out, whether the game gets a B+ or F-.

(or F--- lol)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IMO, SEGA tried their BEST to make the game as good as it could be, but the company is in deep because of Sonic 06&#8242;.</p>
<p>The game is good. Period. But CANNOT be considered REALLY GOOD because of standards and stuff.</p>
<p>All I know is, the game is going to sell out, whether the game gets a B+ or F-.</p>
<p>(or F&#8212; lol)</p>
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		<title>By: Crazee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crazee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 03:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from the political referance which I choose to avoid since it would lead to an entirely seperate disscussion of a political nature(due to my rather strong disagreements with the idea Joe Biden is even competent). I&#039;ll let that lie. But Bravo! Well wriiten column.


I&#039;ll give more of a response later...the effort deserves one. And yeah, it will be Sonic related. Don&#039;t worry. haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from the political referance which I choose to avoid since it would lead to an entirely seperate disscussion of a political nature(due to my rather strong disagreements with the idea Joe Biden is even competent). I&#8217;ll let that lie. But Bravo! Well wriiten column.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give more of a response later&#8230;the effort deserves one. And yeah, it will be Sonic related. Don&#8217;t worry. haha</p>
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