Purported Localization Rep Sheds Insight on Unleashed, Chronicles, Next Sonic
Not two weeks after one of our editors looked back on the prophesies a former Sega insider dished on the Internet, another possible insider is now in the spotlight.
“Archive this thread if you want and come back to me in a year and a half,” claims a poster on a recent 4chan thread going under the pseudonym of Wentos the Traveling Salesman. “You’ll see.”
Wentos, as he’ll be referred to from here on out, said to 4channers that he knows more about the inner workings of Sega “than you might think,” and also claims to work in localization, knowing people within the company “here and there.” His comments were picked up on by Sonicophage, a member of the Sonic Stadium message boards.
Among some of the light-hearted fare that Wentos suggests is that he’s the one behind the “Tails is a girl” script joke in the next-gen version of Sonic Unleashed, initially suggesting it as an off-the-cuff remark. He also noted that Sonic Adventure 2, thought by many in the Sonic fan community to be the best 3D Sonic to date, had the lowest budget allotted by Sega of any Sonic title. But he also talked about information of much more immediacy to Sonic fandom, including details on the next game in the franchise.
“It won’t be announced for some time,” Wentos claims. “SEGA isn’t taking Sonic on a break, but they’ll stay quiet with the main series games for a little while and then reveal it while this time specifically outlining what has been fixed.”
Wentos said that the next Sonic will be in the style of the daytime levels in Sonic Unleashed, have an increased focus on platforming, and will be Sonic only. The option to play as other characters will be included, but won’t necessarily be required to finish the game. He noted that Chao won’t be included.
“I didn’t say Werehog bullshit,” he affirmed. “I said sections in stages where you actually need to slow down and be careful and precise about what you’re doing. Non-optional characters in “main series” Sonic games are over, I can tell you that much.”
Wentos also commented on the vast difference in opinion between Sonic Unleashed for the Wii/PS2, and the next-generation editions on the XBOX360 and PS3. In general, it confirms what the Ben Andac story revealed to the world–that at least some factions of Sonic are meant to be only moneymakers. In particular, he discusses that Sega’s plan all along was to focus on the next-gen edition of the game, while recouping losses off that R&D via the Wii edition:
You know how Wii games are much less expensive to develop, correct? And how the Wii is primarily for kids and family audiences, while the hardcore gamers go to the 360 and PS3?
The consoles all the Sonic fans were likely to own (360 and PS3) were the ones the true Unleashed was developed for, which is why they handed it off to their freshest and most eager development team, who also happen to be huge Sonic fans themselves. Meanwhile, they outsources the Wii version to DIMPS, who has never even thought about doing a 3D Sonic game before.
Now, the 360/PS3 version cost a fuckton of money for them to produce; it’s the one with the most work and effort and love put into it. The Wii version only cost a couple million. SEGA’s plan from the start was to take a loss on the 360 version financially while using the Wii version’s sales (mostly to kids and families) to recoup those costs. They knew the Wii would have gimped version from the start, and so they gave the real game to th e 360 so that fan opinion of the series would finally shoot back up.
Thus far, their plan has worked, and to answer your question they’ll likely be doing the same thing for the next main series game, while using the filler title (Riders, the Storybook titles, etc.) to help pay for the losses they need to endure to be seen in a more positive light.
Wentos also spoke to certain mechanics in Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood. Speaking about the ending, the art, and the music, Wentos has evidently confirmed that SEGA searched the Internet for fan-produced MIDI compositions, knowing full well those artists couldn’t sue for infringement:
Every single piece of art barring the landscapes were terrible, the cutscenes were made by people who had never touched Flash in their llives and there were a lot of glaring design issues that showed up in the game, ESPECIALLY as you neared the end. The cliffhanger ending was one of the most rushed scripts I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with.
They actually had a full, originally composed soundtrack but before release they had to pull the hub BGMs out for a variety of (frankly ridiculous) legal reasons. So they did what anyone else in their position probably would have done; they did a search on the net for whatever Sonic MIDIs they could find and fit them in the game the best they could. Since the compositions belonged to SEGA in the first place there were no legal issues to be had with what was essentially thieving them, and they could also pan it off as a “soundtrack full of classic Sonic music.”
Which is also why there’s a fairly distinct difference in quality between the electric-guitar intro/battle music and the shit you get while you play the game itself.
At this moment, we cannot verify the identity of Wentos, nor can be 100% certain of the authenticity of the information he provided to 4channers. That said, Wentos invited speculators to contact him privately, and he also aware of the story on this site regarding Ben Andac. Wentos says the climate at SEGA has changed since Andac’s blogging:
That article is old as shit and doesn’t apply even remotely to current SEGA policies anymore, nor does it even differentiate any of the separate Sonic Team divisions from one another.
It may have meant something two years ago but now it’s an absolute crock of shit.
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I don’t want to be like the guy who wrote the article TSSZ linked to; hopefully he’s having a fun time in unemployment.
Especially in light of the Andac story, there are plenty in the Sonic community who are taking this is a grain of salt. There are those who doubt Wentos and his credibility simply because he posted on 4chan, a “wild west” of sorts in the gaming community where spurious rumors can roam free. Upon Sonicophage’s post on the SSMB, a healthy mix of optimism and doubt followed. Forumer JezMM wrote simply:
He’s bloody convincing but I’m not gonna believe him until, as he says, this next game is out so we can “hold it against him”.
Everything he says is interesting though. It’s either true or very very good theories. =\
Here’s what another SSMBer, Casanova, had to say on it:
Does anyone care anymore if these ‘insiders’ come out of the closet to have a moan or a poke at a random Sonic fansite?
He claims to work in “localization,” so what… that doesn’t mean he’s a key cog in the machine at all, he won’t be apart of the major planning meetings, certainly not have direct design input that influences plot or structure.
He even admits it himself.
Or if you still think he may be some kind of wise old man on the mountain… would someone who had a high position of power in Sonic Team, after last weeks news antics involving the fun of blogs. Would someone do this… on 4-chan of all places?
The revelation of Segas sales selling stratergy… Did we really need a sega insider to tell us that one? Call of Duty did that with C.O.D 4 and 5. In fact you could say that with any game that has a big console release and then a PS2/Wii version is doing it.
The only really earth-shattering thing here was that there maybe Sonic Riders 3 in development… but again… is that something to get excited for? I didn’t mind the second one… was far too short for my taste.
But if it did come, are we really surprised? We’re due another filler title, all whats in development right now with Sonic in the title is Black Knight, Genesis Collection, and maybe some Unleashed DLC (bBecoming less likely with every new day now). So another Riders seems likely since most of the world has alrady been done… just copy the codes from the riders 2 disk like they did with riders 1!
Since the original thread excerpts were posted (which we have provided below) Sonicophage claims he has talked to Wentos. Sonicophage reported to forumers that the main team who worked on the next-generation Sonic Unleashed will continue to work on the primary Sonic games from here on out, with other development teams receiving secondary titles. Wentos also hinted at a return to the Sonic Riders franchise.
We want to know what you think. Do you believe anything Wentos says, or do you think he is trying to spread false information as a way to steal the spotlight? If you think he’s being truthful, how do you take in all the information Wentos has divulged? Let us know in the comments below. We will certainly try to follow up with Wentos ourselves and get some new information, but for now, we are classifying this as rumor.














cool! does this mean Sonicteam will continue with the sonic franshise? PLZ i need ta know
It sounds like this! WOOT! Bring a SU2! XD for 360/PS3 lol.
wait so thats why wii owners always got the bottom of the shit barrel with sonic unleashed!!!
THATS NOT FUCKIN FAIR !!!!!
Its all beacuse of nintendo aleinating all the “hardcore” gamers and instead goin with shitty balance and sports games!!
Well on the bright side the next sonic game will only consist of sonic stages which is a plus, I just hope they dont take two friggin levels out again, i just hate how sega thinks the wii is a last gen peice of shit thats why its alwyays getting lumped together with the ps2 .. In the next main son ic game the only diffrence i want to see is downed graphics THATS THE ONLY THING…sigh segas a bunch of money grooping bastards i hate them now ,the always have, and they always will
Ow shit.
I’m really pissed with this “Wii is for children, PS3/360 are for real gamers” thing.
I play videogames since master system, and I consider myself a real gamer, and I have a Wii; why can’t I have a decent game?
Less graphics, ok, with this I can cope.
But less stages, no XP-gain for Sonic, and softened-XP system for the Werehog, why?!
@leonardo
Exactcy!!!
They dum down the games for “kids and familys” sega ill say this as slowly as i can..FUCK THE CASUAL GAMERS..in case sega hasn noticed most of their fans bought the wii beacuse sega made their best games on the wii, but sega dosent fuckin care about that beacuse they STILL try to cater the to 360 and ps3 crowds..funckin idiots
I knew this already, good thing I own both a Wii and PS3, so I really don’t care, but they should at least try to make it more hardcore for the Wii. I saw Mad World for the Wii and Mad World looks looks like one of the most hardcore games out of all the hardcore games on the Wii created.
Leornado: It’s beacuse ther’re more games for the younger ones on Wii. Wii is not for kids, it’s for all ages and the same with the other two. But there is more game for older people(12+,16+,18+).
But the only console that is for kids is the Nintendo DS, it’s only a few good game too the DS, the rest is bad boring sidescrolling game with sucky graphics, and of course only for the younger ones. I play games that are for all ages but most of the games to DS….I don’t even want to try the game once.. PSP is much better.
And yay, the first one who didn’t say that werehog is bullshit. But I think it would be better if you only have to slow down with normal Sonic and do some stuff that is not soo unbeliveable fast. But the daytime sages in SU is still good.
Hmm….Wentos sounds very convincing. I’ll still wait until the next Sonic, of course. But I hope he’s not right about the Sonic sections being like daytime Unleashed. Yeah, it was great…but something about the speed mechanic ruined the whole precision-platforming concept. You can’t do it in Unleashed, you could in SA1,2, sort of Heroes, ShTH and even Next Gen. I miss using the homing attack to gain that extra bit of length on my jump…to have to do the levels really slow the first time before I get good enough to do speed runs, rather than spam x. I sound so much like a whiny fan and I hate it, but I just…I guess I loved the “platformer” concept over the “speed and path finding” concept.
I really do appreciate and like how Sonic Team are experimenting with different playstyles to find what works though, and how they’re trying to improve that platforming concept in the next Sonic according to Wentos. Everything else though, yeah, it seems pretty logical and un-controversial. Sega DOES need money…oh heck, I’d buy SBK whether it’s revenue was needed to improve Sonic or not.
With the Wii vs hardcore gamers thing, I don’t see it one way or another. But the PUBLIC sees it as a “family” console, so the developers treat it like one, and it just becomes a vicious cycle. It has the potential for more, but with Nintendo deliberately trying to target another sector of the market that’s just the way it happened. So I have my faithful 360 (I was one of the people who bought it JUST for Sonic ’06! XD See, SEGA, if you were in the console business that $600 (AUD) I pretty much spent on Sonic would have been going to you instead!), and my Wii. Just as long as I get the games I like one way or another, I don’t really care WHAT console it’s on.
I like Mr Wento! Now we know some more things about the future. Sonic riders (I don’t have any Sonic riders game so I would like to try a new that’s very good) and the main Sonic game sound awsome! And it’s good for Osnic who likes slow Sonic. And it’s good for me that likes fast Sonic like in Sonic unleashed!
Maybe some people don’t belive Mr Wento, but I do! Go Wento!
Games can be made for cash and still be good.
For those criticizing that games are made for the 360/PS3 and then the Wii gets a secondhand port…blame Nintendo for creating a system with subpar technology. It’s far easier to create a game for the 360 and then create a lower-gen port for the Wii(I have a feeling the PS2 won’t get a game next time) then to create the game for the Wii and then release a higher gen version with better graphics. Yeah, the Wii isn’t only for kids. But this is an employee(maybe), not Sega’s official position. It’s perfectly logical to have a secondary team do the Wii port.
The next Sonic title for Wii(not SBK) will be better since Dimps will have more 3D Sonic experiance and the PS2 version won’t hurt it.
Only a few, good DS games? How about doing research(and typing sentences that easily make sense)?
The Professor Layton games
Mario Kart DS
The World Ends with You
Trauma Center games
Wario Ware Touched
Advanced Wars: Dual Strike
Custom Robo
Advanced Wars: Days of Ruin
Kirby: Squeak Squad
Mario and Luigi: Partners in Time
Tetris DS
Kirby: Superstar Ultra
Metroid Prime
Kirby: Canvas Curse
New Super Mario Bros
Jump Super Stars
Jump Ultimate Stars
Animal Crossing
Star Fox: Command
Elite Beat Agents
Hotel Dusk
Touch Memory
Zelda: Phantom Hourglass
Pokemon D/P/P
Sonic Rush
Sonic Rush Adventure
Sonic Chronicles
Castlevania: Dawn of Sorrow
Castlevania: Portrait of Ruin
Castlevania: Order of Ecclesia
I think that covers it…
Can you please tell me all the great PSP games(that aren’t on other systems either)?
All I can think of is-
Daxter
Monster Hunter
Metal Gear Solid Port. Ops
Metal Gear Ac!d 1
Metal Gear Ac!d 2
Secret Agent Clank
God of War
Crisis Core
Patapon
Locoroco
Resistance
Sonic Rivals 1 and 2(reviews have been average for it, but this is a Sonic website)
I think that about covers it.
Hmm… Interesting.
Is there any proof that this guy is a real employee
Until this what he has said is proven I dont care what he says. THEY SHOULDNT HAVE MADE THE PS2 VERSION!!!!!!!!
you know you’re a furry when you start caring this much about sonic. It’s about time this fucking franchise died.
So then, they WERE right at E3 when that SEGA person said “New Sonic Team”. I trust this guy. So then, this next Sonic game’s gonna be more of a harkening to the Genesis games than Unleashed. Pretty darn amazing. I’ve got a few predictions of my own now for this Sonic game:
-Dev’d by the new Sonic Team.
-Uses the Hedgehog Engine.
-Hedgehog Engine will be improved, 60 fps on both Xbox/PS3.
-Return of Basic Characters “Combos” (Sonic+Tails, Sonic, Tails, Knuckles)
-Return of more recent characters-Silver, Shadow, Blaze; anyone?
-Special Stages, How we’ve missed you dearly in console Sonics.
-4Kids voices. Jason returns for Sonic, Amy Palant for Tails.
-More branching paths–Utilized for the characters *ie the Speed Fly Power from Heroes*
-Tighter controls for sure.
-And another “God/Monster” endboss that Eggman Unleashes and gets betrayed by.
-Rating Outlook–Anywhere from a 6/10 to an 8.0/10. KillHil is an old school fan, so maybe he’ll like this one better than Unleashed.
Trolls trolling trolls
I can’t believe you are posting “news” from some random 4channer who is most likely a troll. I can’t believe that there are people here who are gullible to actually believe this crap also.
This “source” of this info is just as bad as “I know a friend whose cousin’s boyfriend works at Sega and he said…”
I hope this is true. I really do.
You realise this is likely fake, right? Remember Fang in Unleashed?
This guy may not be the real deal, but he could be speaking the truth. A lot of 3rd party developers don’t try and simple put together some mini-game compilation or a crappy game on it and don’t try. You can believe me or not on this, but High Voltage (the makers of the Conduit) are using a new engine for their game that only works on the Wii called the Quantum engine. A lot of 3rd party developers are trying to buy this engine so they can simply just make the gameplay better, but High Voltage says that they’re not selling it to anyone. It shows that some developers out there are lazy and can’t make a good 3rd party Wii game like 360 and PS3 games that are better.
Info Source – 4CHan
…you think THAT’S trustworthy? *face palm*
I rather just be a patient fan, wait, and do my research on more reliable places. No offense…
Oh, and i completely agree with E’s comment, because i feel the same way with Sonic Unleashed at times when it comes to daytime stages.
I agree with people about the daytime stages, there was barely any plat-forming. That’s what I felt was missing when I played the daytime stages.
It was a very tough call to publish the story, because I know how unreliable 4chan is. By the same token, there have been occasions where 4channers have discussed gaming rumors that were confirmed factual weeks later. I understand it’s rare, but it happens.
Two other things to consider (and I’ll be looking at this angle in a follow-up tomorrow AM:) it’s mostly the usual suspects tearing the rumor apart. There are plenty of Sonic fans who are taking this with a grain of salt, but they’re looking at it quite objectively. Those who have gotten in touch with Wentos directly also have been convinced upon having a chat with him directly.
At this point, it’s only NeoGAF, and other 4chan members that are laughing at this. Even the Sonic Stadium front page has picked up this story, classifying it as rumor, just as we are. At this point, if it were total bunk, I have to think it would have been uncovered by now, or there would be some pretty intense mockery of the story within the community. The one or two sources I look to for debunking, thus far, haven’t done so.
-T
I ain’t saying anything as this will be B.S or something proven with in a couple of weeks.
only time will tell guys just sit back and wait for anything to come up from sgea, if nothin does, oh well then
I Hope It’s True, But It Won’t Be.
I think if they add more platforming they should remove the ‘dying depletes all your score mechanic.’ And for goodness sake bring back the TRUE Tails and Knuckles! The Tails and Knuckles from Sonic 3&K!
AND BRING BACK SPECIAL STAGES!!!
AND ITEM BOXES! AND ELEMENTAL SHIELDS!
dont you get it the 360and ps3 are main series title games and also you all can have yor little spinoff titles cause the wii is considered a sixth generation console
To add some to this, some clips from the unused soundtrack have been on Youtube for a while.
It still irks me that the soundtrack literally was just a bunch of midi rips…
I do want to believe the next Sonic game will be Sonic Unleashed Daytime like, but… When he mentioned Sonic Chornicles OST and the midis, it makes sense except for one thing! One of the battle musics, the one which is a remix of Tidal Tempest Past, is definely NOT a midi!
Um ok wii came out after the 360 so what are you talking about supa scourge
yes thats true, it deserves just as much if not more! respect than the 360 and ps3
Cysore, you’re right, because of the Wii, the next Xbox and PS will have motion controls.
Heh hey,
All sonic team have to do to make a great sonic game is to:
- make sonic go fast.
- make more platforming
- No warehog, if have to, make him more faster.
- Eggman is final and extra boss.- Add Npc characters, but not really playable.
- Hub world, more like SA1, can have full speed like next-gen(even though that was jogging…except the blue thing you get with your shoes)
- EXP was kinda cool, makes sonic go faster^^
And SBK knight(or any storybook title) looks good enough for me to buy.
Plus, sonic has way too much potental to make a good game anyway…
If SEGA really knew all along that they were going to loose money developing the 360/PS3 build, then why’d they make it? I don’t trust this guys.
I with Michael on this, however, what this “rumor person” says is true, 3rd party developers put stuff on the Wii without trying or anything and it turns out to be crap, except for a few games.
@Mark Chao,
Thing should be looking better after the release of the Conduit. After developers see what the Wii can really do, hopefully they’ll put more effort into their games.
Sounds true, sorta. I dont really know what to say about this.
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I want to believe this because it sounds correct, but I don’t believe him since he’s posted this in 4chan, of all places, and doesn’t have any real proof of who he is.
Meh. I’ve lost so much faith in Sonic it’s not even funny.
The only good things that I still enjoy Sonic, are the Archie comics and these Sega Collection things.
Okay, two things.
1. I KNEW SEGA WAS TO LAZY TO MAKE THE WII HIGH QUALITY.
2. Whew, he’s not taking a complete break.
Even though I dont agree with anything here they should have got the Black Knight team to do graphics on the wii and have Sonic Teams leader say not to cut out levels for the wii. The ps2 can have all that cut out stuff
im startin to think ill like black night better than unleashed beacuse of all the features and characters there puttin into it.
Not sure whether to trust him or not.
This is probably fake, but I read on a forum that the next Sonic is called SONIC REKINDLED.
Wasn’t Wentos that said it though. Some guy called RimLight Executive. Wasn’t that a company in Sonic 06?
@Sonickku Master:
That’s probably fake, too. The name sounds a bit off. Like some joke you could just pull off the top of your head: Sonic Reloaded, Sonic Reitterated, Sonic Revamped, Sonic Unbound, Sonic Retry, Sonic and the Holy Bible, etc.