Alleged Password Stealing on Side Forum
There apparently was one notable after effect from last week’s forum outage at Sonic Retro–one that is being scrutinized by its members.
A few members have made inquiries to the site’s administrators–with a few more writing in to TSSZ News–about a letter they received announcing their eligibility for membership at another area called #stuff, or Pound Stuff. The community has no relation to Sonic fandom–it merely shares some members between the two entities. But the letter, below, was apparently mailed to most of Sonic Retro’s members in the past 24 hours:
Title:
OMG!! You’ve got an account on poundstuff.net !!! ( Pound Stuff Message Board )Message:
Hello! I’m proud to announce that because you had an account on Sonic Retro, you also have an account on the #stuff forum! You can find us at http://www.poundstuff.net/ and login with your existing Sonic Retro login.We’d like you to take a look around and make a few posts, and familiarize yourself with #stuff. We are a non-sonic related community devoted to nothing in particular. Please give it a try.
You can also find our IRC channel at irc.poundstuff.net, #stuff.
If you do not login to poundstuff.net within the next week, your account will automatically be purged (possibly sooner… omg!)
Thank you!
#Stuff Administration,
Tweaker, x64, HarroSINP.S. HarroSIN fell down the stairs and his shoes fell off.
Notable in the letter is the apparent alliance of two strange bedfellows–Retro forum head Tweaker, and the ex-Retro forum banned for illicitly accessing the forum, x64. TSSZ News told you yesterday about how Tweaker gave x64 a password to access the forum, unaware that it would be used for harm.
As it turns out, Sonic Retro’s Wiki has an entry on #stuff, and it states that the side project was founded in December of last year. In its current state, #stuff hosts a forum and an IRC channel for chats. The wiki entry also claims that both x64 and Tweaker claim a co-ownership stake on both the website and chat areas.
But one Retro forum alleges that it may also be hosting something more illicit–a script to log and steal passwords, a practice commonly known as phishing.
Shortly after TSSZ News received the original letter concerning #stuff, another one penned by GerbilSoft was sent in, alleging that Retro forumers who fall for the letter are being duped:
If you received an email from poundstuff.net inviting you to join their forums because you are a Sonic Retro member, do *not* go there. x64 has set up a
script to log all passwords entered in the login page. Just a heads up to prevent any sort of shenanigans from happening.
TSSZ News cannot verify the authenticity of that particular tidbit of information right now. However, Tweaker did confirm in a short interview with TSSZ News’s Mike Taylor that not only is it spam at best–as it turns out, a part of last week’s attack of Sonic Retro included x64 allegedly copied users’ personal data over to #stuff:
Mike Taylor: Is this spam?
Tweaker: They yanked our user database and made another forum with it. It’s not -spam-, persay [sic], but it may as well be.
Tweaker has since informed inquiring Retro members that data has been compromised, but that the matter is out of their hands. Other members are warning one another that the potential exists for passwords to be stolen using the database at #stuff, especially if users adhere to the E-Mail’s directions.
Your best bet–an E-Mail such as the one quoted above should be shifted to the trash bin promptly.
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Tristan, there’s just been a takeover of SSRG. I assume it’s related to this.
First!
goddamnit, nevermind
The SSRG situation may be Iojnekns actually, rather than x64. We’re not sure yet. The timing is awfully funny though.
Okay, complicated outcome. The deleted posts and my suspension was the result of some tough guy moderator who’d been gone for a while.
However the Chaos Hedgie post edits were as a result of the phishing mentioned… x64 must really have it in for him.
This entire mess is Tweaker’s fault at the end of the day, and it affected another forum, even if it was only one guy’s account.
I see you’re still throwing around baseless accusations, wetflame.
It’s not baseless. Hedgie’s account was phished. Jimbo confirmed this.
If Tweaker hadn’t trusted x64 so blindly to begin with, I doubt this would have happened. There’s another post regarding this in poundstuff.
http://poundstuff.net/forums/index.php?s=28d871b0b4a2529b558016d3235d14ff&showtopic=16016
Just like Tweaker you’re calling accusations baseless without any proof.
You realize you’ve accused Retro of being responsible for the DDoS attack on TSSZ, accused x64 of taking over SSRG, and then turned around and accused iojnekns of the same thing, all within the past 24 hours, and all of which have been proven false.
For the past few days,you’ve redirected all of your anger at Tweaker and his “cronies” no matter what is going on or who is responsible. Maybe you should take a day to try and lose your fury [the variety of which I will only imply], so you can start to view the going-ons in the community from a neutral standpoint. Or maybe just wait for evidence before throwing accusations out, since for the past day you’ve been doing nothing but relying on your gut feeling, which has been failing spectacularly so far.
Seriously, save these comments for SSRG rather than flailing around in public. At the very least, none of us will bother posting in reply over there anymore, so you won’t have to worry about being shut down in public.
iojnekns is awesome, so awesome that I’d doubt he spend useless minutes fagging up posts.
well it dont matter for me anywhoz, coz my old retro account was banned so when i went to #stuff it wouldnt let me do nufuin. and wats al this bout the ssrg?
Wetflame: You’re arguing about Sonic fansites. Think about it.
MetalKnux all three of those parties have been guilty of something in this. Also a “suggestion” is not the same as the accusation and all of those came from other people.
And Tweaker is the origin of the majority of these problems. Because he trusted and was so biased towards x64 to begin with, this whole mess happened. Also, x64 DID takeover Hedgie’s account on the forum, and ScarredSun DID once suggest DDoSing TSSZ.
Speaken of “proven”, I proved several times how Tweaker was flat out lying, but this doesn’t interest you. When a community leader is a hypocrite that’s not such a big thing, but when a low profile target who’s the butt end of jokes complains about something, it’s Internet Police to the rescue.
Protip: It’s been confirmed that x64 or someone related hijacked my account on SSRG.
There wasn’t an accusation of TSSZ being DDoSed by Retro, only a mention of it by a log.
Nothing’s been proven at all. I’ve known of at least 5 people who have known your forum password at some point in time, Hedgie, including myself. x64 had absolutely nothing to do with it and it could have easily been one of those 5 people. Provide me with an IP address and I’ll tell you which one it was.
But then again, you have “proof”… or you know, shit in a can. This just proves that everything you two say as if it’s “concrete” amounts to absolutely nothing in the face of real evidence.
The burden of proof lies with you.
I’d like to know what reason you have to accuse iojnekns of ANYTHING out of the blue. Since, y’know, he’s not been online for the past week.
See, this fits my definition of baseless.
I can totally see you ignoring this now, just like the other valid point I made.
Well supposedly it’s actually a bunch of people related to Retro now that accessed Hedgie’s account, or at least Tongara.
Tweaker if you didn’t make it so acceptable on your forum to be a complete and utter sociopath it’d be less likely people would do things like this. You ban people for retarded arbitary reasons and refuse to ban people for being vicious. Of course that’s going to set a terrible precedent where people don’t think twice about accessing someone’s account or leaking their password.
“I’d like to know what reason you have to accuse iojnekns of ANYTHING out of the blue. Since, y’know, he’s not been online for the past week.”
Because he was trolling constantly when we made the forum to begin with and trying to disrupt it as much as possible. As were you. Either way he’s not an innocent.
Also when I say X and Y is thought to be responsible for something, that’s what I mean, thought. I get IMs from people on this and it should be assumed things like that should be taken with a grain of salt. It’s not a definite accusation, I don’t see why you have a problem with this whereas Tweaker can outright contradict himself in the idea of “Biased moderation” and not be shouted at by the same people.
Tweaker, do not contact me or talk to me any longer. You are a milacious person. A person I no longer have any shred of respect for.
Baseless then, basically.
That’s not what “baseless” means. x64 phishing Retro and at the same time someone grabbing hold of Hedgie’s account is a base for speculation. Whether or not it’s correct is a different matter, but it’s hardly baseless.
I was talking about iojnekns. Because he ‘trolled’ he should be randomly blamed for things? That doesn’t sound like a valid reason to me.
Hence baseless.
Chaos Hedgie: I’m malicious for telling you that your “confirmation” was wrong? I just offered to help find out who broke into your account! Are you dense or something?
Oh, wait…
No, you’re malicious for being such a hypocrite. With your one-sided administration. I’m tired of all of you, don’t talk to me. You set me up. I asked you before if it was alright to post my viewpoint on MJ, you gave me the okay, I agreeded, defended my viewpoint, and I get banned for a reason not included in the forum rules.
I tried to contact you in a mature way yet you blocked and ignored me.
Don’t respond, I have nothing to do with you.
Who said you were banned because you don’t like MJ? That’s the assumption that you’ve naturally made this entire time, and it–like the rest of everything else you’ve said regarding this issue–is absolutely baseless. And you wonder why people don’t show you any respect? Come on.
I’ve read Chimpo’s reasoning. That my opinions were stalwart and I supposedly had no respect for others opinion. Still a dumb reason to ban someone who still hasn’t broken the rules, wasn’t warned or suspended on that issue ahead of time, and was essentally set up for failure.
Why are you still talking to me?
I’m talking to me because you are directly addressing me. If you don’t want to be graced with the presence of my wonderful figure, then I suggest refraining from doing the following:
- Lying.
- Making baseless claims.
- Referencing my name in a manner that is associated with the above (lies, baseless accusations, bullshit, et al)
Of course, ignoring all of those things, I’m still free to contact you on public mediums as I please. But, you know, a few guidelines won’t hurt.
*talking to you
It’s not a lie to say that you banned me because of the fact that my different viewpoints derailed a bunch of topics that I didn’t intend to. Therefore I was not banned by breaking a rule.
If you want to ban me for bullshit matters, then I’ll slander your webpage with my interpretation of the truth. Because your interpretation is flawed. Got a problem with it? Feel free to kick rocks.
It’s all about fairness. If you treated me like shit and decided to be unfair with me, I’ll feel free to talk about retro. Don’t contact me however, because you can’t accept that.
“If you want to ban me for bullshit matters, then I’ll slander your webpage with my interpretation of the truth. Because your interpretation is flawed. Got a problem with it? Feel free to kick rocks.”
The only “bullshit matter” is that you got banned and now you’re uppity about it. That’s not even my concern, though; my concern is how you have no problem slandering with your “interpretation of the truth”… which is a very interesting choice in wording, because the actual truth doesn’t require interpretation–it’s clearly laid out and explained.
My “interpretation,” as you call it, isn’t even an interpretation–it is the honest to god account of what actually happened. How are you going to seriously say that you are intentionally ignoring the actual truth in favor of your own interpretation even though it’s wrong? Are you seriously that… oh hell, why do I keep asking that question? Of course you are.
I can’t believe that anyone with a bit of sense could read your version of what you think happened and consider it credible. This is ridiculous.
SOMEBODY CALL THE FIRE BRIGADE PLEASE!!!
“The only “bullshit matter” is that you got banned and now you’re uppity about it.”
Tweaker, if you had warned us before the supposed “predetermined bans” and not involved money, the situation would not have exploded. It is your own fault. You can’t even admit at the very least involving money was a BAD IDEA regardless of motivation, you should have known people would call bullshit on it.
The fact that you can’t even admit this much and instead try to force everyone to accept it just shows the sheer depths of arrogance you can sink to.
I proved on the Intercommunity Forum how you were a liar, and you were unable to refute your claims. So why should anyone trust what you’re saying is the “honest to god truth”? You lied about the presence of biased moderation, and whenever anyone mentions this, you cannot disprove it, only say it’s “conjecture”.
Instead he bursts with rude comments such as “TRANNY RAGE”
I’m not uppity because I got banned. I’m annoyed that I was banned for a reason outside of the rules. Essentally banned for “mob mentality”. Yes Tweaker. When a group of people want you gone for no clear reason, it’s mob mentality. You can’t justify it, and you’re webpage will be slandered. Don’t get mad because less members will register.
It’s pretty clear what Tweaker does. The reason he protected me from the mob mentality is because I was receptive of him and from his point of view, on his side. I was useful for stimulating activity. When I had a serious problem with the way he did things, I was given the boot. This is actually the third time he’s done this now.
I don’t think it matters whether less people sign up than wouild have, it’s still wrong to do.