SoJ Call-in Seeking Kuta Movie Approval Planned
Tristan Oliver | November 4, 2009
UPDATE: Call-in Date Pushed Up
Support has gained in the effort to bring what is presently a suspended Sonic fan film to official fruition.
It’s not Richard Kuta directly fronting the effort. But with his apparent initial blessing, it is another Sonic fan, Sonicthehedgehog360, organizing an effort to place a mass call-in to Sega of Japan beginning December 1st. (11/06 Update: The date has been moved up from December 5th to December 1st, which is a business day.) That, at least, is the call to arms plastered on the call-in’s official hub. Presently a showcase of fan works, the site promises to have details on how you can contact Sega of Japan and voice your support for Kuta’s work.
“I really saw some great elements in Kuta’s movie. Storyboards, story elements, voice samples, and the feel of the movie really hit me,” the organizer said on why he’s moving forward with the effort, even after Kuta indefinitely suspended development on the fan film. “I just couldn’t let a project go to waste from troll attacks.”
When the day comes, participants will get instructions on how to call in to SoJ via their computer. In the interim, Sonicthehedgehog360 is using the page as an outlet for other fan works, including music and art, with the first in a series of live Internet performances scheduled for next Saturday at noon, eastern time (and not this Sunday, as previously reported.)
It is a Kuta Aid, of sorts–even after Kuta swore off the project.
“I instructed (Sonicthehedgehog360) to cancel the call-in since the project is dead,” Kuta wrote in a comment on this site yesterday morning. “I sincerely have given up on this project and made my departure from the Sonic community.”
But Sonicthehedgehog360 says in an E-Mail to TSSZ News he did seek initial approval from Kuta to organize the effort–likely before the aforementioned comments were made. He also said that while Kuta has no involvement in the organization itself, there are context clues in the effort.
“The call-in site being ‘on’ says something about the status of the movie,” the organizer said, noting interest has piqued from hundreds of Sonic fans.
If the effort does make it to December 5th, we will follow up with those call-in details for those interested. But if nothing else, the effort shows that even if Kuta abandons the notion of a Sonic film, there are plenty of others willing to pick up where he left off.
Filed Under Gaming News, Sega, Sonic Fan Flash, Sonic Scene
…I still can’t understand why they’re trying to make this FAN-project official.
SoJ will never accept it. I will never be able to understand the people who think that they will.
If Kuta is not in on it anymore, why bother? It was his project, and it was his decision to end it. Why are they going to call-in to SoJ to make it official?
Are these people proffesionals that are willing to produce it on a proffessional level if it was approved, or are they just fans that want the movie? Who would work on it? I don’t think SoJ would even want the movie without making some major changes to it.
I agree with the above, if we’re going for official now, why not just wait until their internal animation company makes another movie? It’s not like they won’t, they made the studio name for a reason.
It’s been revealed here…
http://www.saturdaymorningsonic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=38500#p38500
… that the movie corp by the initials of “U.P.” is working in conjunction with Kuta to product a professional portfolio of “a new pitch presentation, artwork, storyboards, cast members, production crew, finances, sequels, merchandising, and musicians.”
The call-in may be unnecessary the way things may turn out with this studio and SoJ. Either way, Sega will know there is interest.
To also speak in the movie’s favor, Kuta has already gotten a band to cover the “Fastest Thing Alive.” Here’s a direct hint of the band’s identity:
Oh dont be a “Basket Case” you “American Idiot.” Im probably in the “Minority” to say this, but “Nice guys finish Last” even during a “21st Century Breakdown”‘
( http://www.saturdaymorningsonic.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2371&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=240 ).
Just leave the guy alone. It was his decision to abandon the movie thanks to stupid fans, and he doesn’t want to be involved anymore.
Actually…
“The call-in site being ‘on’ says something about the status of the movie”
I wouldn’t be organizing the call-in if something else wasn’t happening!
Well, I’m confused. If the guy asked you to disband that thing why didn’t you? Also…
“I wouldn’t be organizing the call-in if something else wasn’t happening!”
What? So the movie is cancelled but happening at the same time.
Oh yes, give it a month, Kuta will be again working on it…
This was originally intended to be a theatrical release which is why it incorporates elements from other aspects of the franchise. Even back in 2005, I never intended this to be a strict SatAM movie, that would be selfish and even alienate the fans. But its conducive to pepper those elements in there to appease the older the fans that grew up with the show and comics. The atmosphere was a mesh between SatAM and the classic Genesis games. So everyone will get their fill of Freedom Fighters, Badniks, Green Hill Zone, and other familiar continuities. The sequels would build on that, showcasing more characters, landscapes and advancing the story into darker territory. In fact the outline for the sequel has a bigger role for Knuckles and The Chaotix.
I can’t really speak for what SonictheHedgehog360 is arranging since this Call-In idea was his brainstorm and he initially contacted me back in September to propose it. In fact, after he relayed this very article to me I’m having feelings of ambivalence. My family, friends, and crew members still support my efforts and various creative endeavors. They were all sincerely looking forward to this film since they realize the passion that I’ve conveyed throughout its development. Though I must attest, this Sonic film has to be the most ambitious project I’ve ever been involved with. Its now been over 4 years since I initially begun this long and arduous journey and I think a true artist should brave through the obstacles and take risks in order to accomplish greater vistas. We are approaching the dawning of a new decade and these last 10 years have been a rollercoaster ride. Now that I’m approaching my 30s and have acquired the experience in the entertainment industry, I want to take advantage of my talent and apply to things I honestly care about. Just remember, there’s people in film industry in their 60s that hold the same motivation towards childhood franchises. I think we can agree that in the annals of video game icons, Sonic the Hedgehog does deserve his leap to the big screen. If humble Sonic fans such as Sonic360 are going through lengths to help this film reach the public, then I register my full support for it. Not sure how its going to pan out, but Ill certainly stick around for the entertainment portions. Plus after conversing with a couple of my friends and family members, they convinced me that I shouldn’t let outside forces (no matter how relentless) dictate my life. Unlike video games, you only get one life in this world so use it to the best of your ability.
My thoughts exactly!
This is not only childish, but it is straight up harassment. If anyone is going to call in anything, they should call in and tell SOJ to not release Project Needlemouse till its straight up perfect and fun to play, so the series can pick up again and move out of its mess. Or, of course, Shenmue 3.
Let this die already.
Ok. This is already sounding like it’s getting out of hand. This whole “movie” thing, that is. First I hear it’s fanmade, then I hear it’s going official, the next it’s canceled and now this? Hate to sound harsh, but I don’t think you guys really know what you’re doing with this project anymore. Everytime I hear about this “movie” it’s either one thing, or another. Just make up your minds!
And sorry, but “The Fastest Thing Alive” theme song? You GOTTA be kidding me. >_>
Another thing. Does Sonic really need a movie that bad? Not all movies based on franchises do well, you know. Remember Super Mario Bros: the Movie? Yeah. Wasn’t a masterpiece and was also a shame to the fans of the franchise. Besides, the way I see it, we already have a Sonic movie. The OVA made in ‘96. The closest thing to the games and it was fun to watch. Grant it, it didn’t get a theatrical release, merchandising, etc, nor was it that big. But still, it was something for us to enjoy and most Sonic fans are very content with it, SatAM or not! I mean, at least it was SOMETHING.
So much for your fresh start eh Kuta? Well, if you are going back on your word (yet again) you might as well tell all the other sites to. And you wonder why no one over the age of 14 takes you serious.
(EDIT – Inflammatory -T)
(EDIT – Inflammatory -T)? Well if you say so, however I find it strange that the comment on the harassment article telling me to go die in a fire isn’t considered inflammatory.
In my opinion, this project was never about reviving or uniting the sonic fan-base, it was always about Kuta getting the praise and acclaim that he thinks he so “justly” deserves.
But seriously, this site/author is so obviously bias against anyone who doesn’t agree with/support Kuta. Which would be fine if this was just a blog, but you claim to be a news site.
@Revolution: I agree
I’d rather SEGA just make their own movie than bring in all these SATAM characters, honestly. Especially from some fan’s script who doesn’t exactly have much experience on his hands when it comes to making movies at this calibur.
OKAY, I’m done venting about this. moving along….
@ A Knothole Resident:
I know you said “when” the sequel comes out they’ll be more Sonic characters to appear, but what if there IS no sequel? You have to realize that there is a possibility that it might not be that sucessful like I mentioned with the Mario movie. In the movie, there was a hint of a possible sequel, but it didn’t happen. Why? Because the movie didn’t do well enough. When that happens, then what?
@ Sonic Revolution
In my opinion, AKR doesn’t even acknowledge the possibility of failure. This movie will be approved by SOJ, and they will give him FULL creative control of it. Also the movie will be critically acclaimed, the sequels will be green-lit, and all of the worlds leaders, being so touched by this brilliant movie, will usher in a new era of world peace.
At least that’s what I think he believes will happen.
I’d rather Project Needlemouse come out in 2011 than be a bad game.
Ugh… SEGA may have gotten slack when it comes to game development, but I’m as sure as high hell they won’t even blink in this project’s direction no matter how much “support” it gets.
Just let the bastard go already or they’ll be even bigger fish to fry.
Granted, alot of attention is going into this fan project more than it should. But that doesn’t mean Kuta should just flat out give up just because of a few trolls.
I mean, if you put all that work in it to get it this much attention, it’s just the more reason to see it through to the end.
…..wait I thought he had quit this fanbase and wasn’t coming back?
He seems to post A LOT for someone who’s claimed to have left.
Also SoJ will NEVER allow this to happen. I kinda respect your plans Sonic360, but ya gotta be a realist. The fact this isn’t based 100% on the games, means it won’t be allowed at all.
On on hand: bunch of people with little to no knowledge of Japanese suddenly calling into SoJ. That will TOTALLY go well.
On the other hand, for all the game fandom’s collective whining about the way the games have been going, has there ever been any legitimate effort to contact the company with the people who make the games in the first place, or at the least have some crucial role? No? …that’s what I thought. Way to think ahead of the curve, SatAM fans…now here’s to hoping the receptionist knows English!
Great, good luck you guys. *holding the fingers crossed*
@Aknotholeresident is there anything i can do to help make this movie?
@AKnotholeResident
So when this fails, are you going back to work on it as a fan movie, or are you going to start on a new project?
I feel that this is a legitimate question to ask, so would you kindly answer it please? Thanks
Perhaps this “mass call-in” should be thought through a little more thoroughly. It doesn’t seem to be such a hot idea.
I’m certainly not against this idea gaining support or even attaining fruition. It could be groundbreaking. It could also be pretty good. It might even be ok. It might nudge Matt Sullivan back into reviving the SatAM show, or it might just annoy the hell out of SoJ. I think this call-in should be a little more spread out than just to SoJ, even though they’re mostly the ones calling the shots. Even if it is accepted, who’s to say it won’t blatantly be taken away from Kuta and worked on by whoever SoJ sees fit? Or canned based on legality as an excuse for “we don’t give a f#@k”?
All I’m encouraging is an anticipation of possible results on the parts of both Kuta and Sonic360 from both this massive call-in and, separately, from the acceptance or rejection of the film project, in order to better organize this appeal to the fandom. Perhaps you guys can extend your call-in to SoA, SoE, Sega Australia, or wherever the callers live so SEGA can get a better idea of how far exposed and desired this Sonic movie is. Hell, maybe even to the people working on the Archie Sonic comics, since they picked up where SatAM left off, didn’t they?
Lastly, don’t feed the trolls, Mr. Kuta. Don’t expose your feelings so openly or so emotionally, because those people who hold your past actions as a serious reservation to the fruition of or effort towards this whole plan will trod all over your feeble attempts to intimidate them or make them feel bad. You’ve got to be a little more shrewd, charismatic, and unphased by their opposition and past accusations than that. I’m just recommending this for your own benefit and for the success of this project, as I think it sounds pretty fucking cool. If I’d ask for one thing, though, is to really think about how this movie could appeal to all fans regardless of their preferences. Leave no stone unturned, no expense spared.
Urgh. I really do not like the look of this fan-movie. I would support a 3D CG animation, like a hedgehog version of Night of the Werehog; I have wanted something like that since the disappointment of the OVA movie, but this fan-movie does not appeal to me at all and I have no objection to it being and staying scrapped.
@Treuleus:
Your advice is spot-on. I’ll definitely look into making the call-in localized, rather than just to SoJ. Thanks so much.
@Sonichedgehog360
Whenever green day is involved I completely give up all hope on the movie. I actually wanted to watch it.
I liked the simpsons movie but green day just ruined it.
I know Im about keeping the peace and avoiding conflict in the fanbase but green day is just a crappy piece of shit generic band that wished they could be real music
Real music is bands like Dream Theater and the Beatles and Yngwie Malmsteen but green day? just no. Like I said about AllStars Racing… Just get the rights to the Dream Theater Song ‘Constant Motion’… Seriously even though the songs about Obsessive Compulsive Disorder its name and fast pace and lyrics fit perfect with Sonic
… its not happening guys….
sure they might think it sounds interesting, but…. have yall ever thought that SoJ is too busy to evan look through to this. and if they wanted a movie they can make one them selves.
and i mean sure… if u guys actually had a big/ semi big movie biz… then they’re more going to go 4 that then some minor fan movie-not even based of the current sonic titles and stuff…
thats my opinion! /=|
@ A knothole resident
“I think a true artist should brave through the obstacles and take risks in order to accomplish greater vistas.”
you say this but you wimp out when a 15 year old kid harrasses you.
@ Mysterious Guy Y
Your comment on the world peace was one of the Lulziest things Ive read in my life. No doubt about it. Your from the ED arent you?
Jesus. Let this die already. Please. I’m pretty sure organizing some mass call in to a corporation counts as harassment, if not a fleeting annoyance in itself.
I know Kuta supposedly isn’t the one behind this, but it’s relating to his project so therefore he has an obligation of sorts to kill this nonsense before it gets any more weirder. Especially as he was oh so tormented about being harassed to the point of having to quit this ridiculous venture in the first place.
@ Chrissy
The Sonic OVA wasn’t based off any of the Sonic titles, besides its style being similar to Sonic CD
@ edge
Glad to know someone in the fanbase likes Yngwie and the like \m/
Everybody talks about how SoJ won’t accept it and you might as well not even try. Where’s the fun in that? If they don’t accept it, at least they looked at it and Kuta can always complete on his own time. Whether it’s a movie or not, I just think it’s cool that a fan has the drive to push something that far.
Pff. And what? It only took a week for Kuta to magically decide to start this nonsense up again? New world record folks.
Seriously though – giving this man the time of day to whine about his imaginary movie is just feeding the massive ego complex that he’s had for ages.
@Zephyr
You wouldn’t happen to be Kuta would you? I’ve noticed your name mysteriously popping up at some other places defending Kuta. But its not just that, its also that you sound exactly like him. You even sound like you are talking for him….
On another note, since Kuta is working on the movie again shouldn’t the other article about Kuta canceling the project be retracted?
@Not Surprised
It wasn’t even a week… (But then again, no one really believed that Kuta quit the movie in the first place)
Secondly, I have to point this out but as a fan project Kuta was rambling off about sequels and massive this and that when he couldn’t even wrap his brain around the budget/cost of animation and whether or not he could afford to do the 2-D animation he so badly wanted or settle for flash instead. On SMS he gave out the rigid estimate of $900,000 + just to get this one imaginary movie animated. And yet he’s talking about sequels and other things when he can’t even get that done?
With indecisiveness like that and the aforementioned quitting episode per “harassment” (if it really is at this point), it just proves he’s talking out of his rectum and hoping to be showered with the golden, showering glory he so desperately wants.
@ Mysterious Guy Y : I was kind of hoping since I’m tired of hearing about it, but then again the fact that he supposedly ‘BAWW MOVIE’S CLOSED” over some 15 year old prick crank calling him was kind of the tipper. You either hang up and change your number or you don’t list your primary telephone number online with anything containing your name (which, unfortunately, he was stupid enough to do, along with his home address).
I’m just going to sit back and wait for this to be cancelled again, hopefully with another C&D notice sent his way because of this mass call in.
Lulz.
That is all.
@ Mysterious Guy Y
Lol, no I’m definitely not him ;P I’m a musician, not an animator/artist/graphic designer/whatever Kuta is. And about me defending Kuta in other posts? If I did, then I did. But I consider myself taking a somewhat neutral standpoint in the whole movie thing. If it goes official, cool. If it doesn’t, cool. I wasn’t around years ago when all this drama started, so I have absolutely nothing against Kuta.
I even added a link to my DA page (not like it shows much) in case you still have your doubts about who I am ;P
@ Not Surprised – Yeah, I have a feeling that he will “cancel” it again after the call in, I really don’t see how this will benefit him, what with
- It being a ridiculous idea in the first place
- Having a very limited number of people calling in
- Said people will be reading from a script (yeah that shows PASSION for a project)
- Possible legal action or another C&D for being involved with this call in
- The very high chance of it being raided by numerous trolls
@ Zephyr – Hmm, very well then. I’ll believe you because you didn’t tell me to go die in a fire, like most of Kuta’s friends/supporters do. heh
@ Mysterious Guy Y
Ah so theres someone else on the side of the Lulz I see.
I give it about a month at the most until they give up(being generous) how bout you?
@TW
Depends, after the call in fails, he will quit, however if he releases the trailer redux before then, he may quit sooner. (Just to come back before the call in) Even though he freely admits that he didn’t work on the trailer redux at all, I’m sure he will spam it all over the net in a effort to get more praise.
Just to clarify, when I say he will quit after the call in, I mean he will do what he just did recently.
- Whine and complain about how much he hates SEGA and the sonic fanbase
- Say he’s done with movie and the fanbase
- Then come back within a week and pretend the above two steps never happened.
Its just what he does, and I’m a damn fool for giving him more attention. But that is the Kuta formula.
Tristain, is it really THAT slow a week for Sonic related news? Are you really so desperate to have a constant stream of articles that you’ll give Sonmanic not one, not two, but THREE articles about his brainchild? And you’re going to endorse BLATANTLY HARASSING Sega of Japan? That is the exact opposite of journalistic integrity, and I’m pretty sure it’s also the exact opposite of integrity as a Sonic fan.
I seriously hope this happens. And I seriously hope SoJ goes crazy and sues people over it.
Sorry to interrupt the talk here, but I need to make an important announcement. The call-in has been changed to Dec 1st.
@Sonichedgehog360
Why? It will probably fail harder on a Tuesday than a Saturday.
To answer a host of inquiries made to me, the call-in date was changed due to the fact that Sega offices being closed on weekends.
Well, that would have been interesting indeed massing together a large scale ‘call-in’ during closing hours.
Wait….
I know you guys are trying to do this to bring this “fan-movie” to life, but let’s be realistic about this:
1) Like someone mentioned earlier, we can’t speak Japanese and I highly doubt anyone will be able to understand you.
2) You’re asking people to make a mass ‘call in’ ALL NIGHT for a company during the day. They have different timezones from us, you know.
3) I rather a REAL Sonic movie by SEGA in full “Night of the Werehog/Unleashed” CGI that’s COMPLETELY based on the games any day of the week compared to this.
We all don’t even know if the story’s good enough to say we “want” this movie made. I want to see the script first before I agree to this. Either that, or just finish the fan made movie to see if people like it enough to consider it real. And for the millionth time, why put SatAM characters in this? I know it’s been repeated as “not a SatAM” movie, but people in the fanbase are already complaining about new characters being in the franchise. Do we really need anymore? I mean, all you see in the trailer is Sally and Bunnie-Rabbot while the only in-game characters are Tails and Metal Sonic.
Oh yeah, I think the fanbase will REALLY accept that and take it in like it’s nothing. (sarcasm)
@Sonichedgehog360 — I hope you get sued, thanks
@Sonichedgehog360
http://evaphone.com/destinations#dest-J
So I guess the script you guys will be reading from is only 18 secs long? Unless you want people to start paying for the calls that is……
@zephyr
yeah…but… um… i never watch it… well not the whole thing.
they sound wierd… :p
lol.
but basiclly… lyk i said… they arnt big biz that can give them profit off that movie.
thay wont rly pay attention to it… <=/
@ Mysterious Guy Y: I was pretty much thinking all of what you listed about this call in. On top of that, only 17-18 secs per call? Ha. Sounds like the length of time for those annoying “The factory warranty on your vehicle has expired” calls that have been spamming the hell out of folks for months recently lol. Add on the obvious language barrier and you got yourself a good old nonsense call. XD
Also, if this bloke decided to stick to localizing it and calling SEGA of America instead I’d imagine both him and Kuta would end up with C&D orders. Kuta might not be “behind” it but obviously because it’s associated with his project, and especially after they warned him to not contact them about the project.
Oh well either way it’s bound to be lulzy so I’ll just sit back and enjoy the show.
@ Chrissy
Yeah, I know, their voices are terrible XD
I think this call-in thing is a little immature.
I mean, look at it.
It’s like when you were little and you really wanted this toy you couldn’t have, so you would annoy your parents until you could get. (in which good parenting tells your parents not to give in.)
@ Piyoko14
It is immature, but the kid running this thing can’t be older than 14 years old. He doesn’t know any better, so cut him some slack.
Fun Fact : As Kuta as admitted himself, most of his supporters aren’t hold enough to drive.
In my opinion, this is because most adults see through his facade.
@Atlas: If the Sonic360’s efforts are a flop, then yes, I might continue the fan film. However, Im entertaining to the idea of just giving the whole project to someone else while I act as creative consultant. If said person wants to make revisions on the script, voice actors he will have the liberty to do so. This way I can work on my own projects for my new company thats launching and I can periodically monitor the progress of the film.
Sorry to interrupt the ongoing discuss here, but the call-in service has switched to FreeCallPin.com. Callers will need a touch-tone phone, and will need to register to the forums for the up-to-date calling numbers. Anyone from almost any country will be able to call to SoJ and their Sega office for up to 5 minutes per hour for just their in-country rates.
To answer inquiries concerning the organizer:
Sonichedgehog360 is a college freshman and lifelong fan of Sonic the Hedgehog. His hobbies include video games, audiophile headphone listening, bicycling, and swimming. He’s an avid learner when it comes to electronics, calculus, and especially anything computer related.
@ Sonic360 – Talking about yourself in the third person makes you look like a nut job. Well more of a nut job given how this call-in is shaping up.
@Knothole: Of course you’re going to continue it. You have this interesting habit of not being able to truly “quit” anything.
“Winners are not those who never fail, but those who never quit.”
Just to clarify to the uninformed, speaking in the third person is used in professional settings all the time. That would include this call-in.
“Winners accomplish. Losers only talk about accomplishing” – Quote by Ron Notmadeupperson
@ Sonic360 – So it’s profesional when you spam this stupid thing in forums that could care fuck all about this movie project? You posted in places that hadn’t a clue who the hell you are or what the hell the movie was about and got zero responses and/or had the thread closed because it looked like you were spamming the forum.
Very professional indeed.
Can somebody post a link to the trailer? I want to see it before I say anything about the project.
Tristan, I’m starting to think you like this drama Kuta’s pity party has caused.
@Kuta
Oh so your talking to the fanbase again AND your thinking about another approach to your movie. And here I thought your family was threaten as well as your life. Bravo for your acting skills! bravo!
@ Tristan
I didn’t know this site was TMZ
@John – Exactly
@Not Surprised – I think Sonicthehedgehog360 is Kuta’s apprentice or something of that nature. You can already tell this by his unwarranted sense of self importance.
@Sonicthehedgehog360 – There is NOTHING professional about this harassing call in. Sega already said they weren’t interested in this movie, you and Kuta should respect their decision. On another note, I hope you aren’t judging the number of people who will call in by the hits counter on your site. Besides everyplace you spammed it, its also linked at ED.
@Unknownlight – You really can’t find it? Kuta and his minions spammed it everywhere. Just google “aknotholeresident” that should take you to the AB’s youtube page where the trailer is hosted. (I’m not direct linking that shitty thing here) Notice how he uses SatAM music because he was too lazy/unoriginal to have an original score composed.
@Aknotholeresident – Is using another studios copyrighted music in your project professional? btw, if you respond with “I got permission to use the music” I’m going to want to see proof.
Here’s a link to the trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWYCqLp4BhY
The S&D letter was a miscommunication. If anyone here is unsure of that, contact SoJ for yourself.
Next, one friendly call-in per fan to Sega isn’t harassment. It’s just a voicing of their opinion just like the posts here, except without the hate.
It’s not a misunderstanding. If anyone is unsure of that, just read the damn thing to begin with.
So the movie is up again. I’m not surprised.
Doesn’t this movie alientate the vast amount of children that only know Sonic from the games, or even Sonic X. A lot of older fans have already left the fandom. Those who watched SatAM when it was on are now, at least, 18. SEGA stated that they aim their games at kids, and a lot of the fans are kids. How is this not a SatAM movie, when it has SatAM characters? How can it be based off the games, when those characters weren’t in the games?
What happens if the kids go to the movies, and only recognize Sonic, Tails, and Robotnik (in which they would wonder why he’s not called Eggman). They would say, “Who’s Sally?”, or “Where are Knuckles and Amy?” Would they readily accept a new cast of characters they’ve never heard of?
Knuckles is in this movie, too.
Character design is based off of the modern Sonic game series. There is the Egg Carrier, Metal Sonic, the Chaos Emeralds, and a heavy influence from Sonic 1-3. This movie is not only inclusive of all Sonic fans, but helps to solidify Sonic’s beginnings.
@ Sonic 360 – I think you might need a dictionary/thesaurus by your side to read that C&D notice again, since it basically told Kuta to stop contacting SEGA (I.e. their employees, etc) about this stupid movie because they were seeing it as harassment. Constantly contacting someone about something they don’t want to hear about IS harassment.
They also stated in that notice that continued efforts would be ignored and could lead up to legal action being taken. Having a handful of folks call in on behalf of him = harassment, so I guess be prepared to be served with legal papers.
Yo!
Uh, questions for “Mysterious Guy Y”, “Tired of the Bullshit” and “Not Surprised”…
What I’m failing to grasp here, is why are you still posting on this topic? You’ve made it inherently that you don’t care about the movie, and you don’t like the two people involved who are posting here. What is it that you hope to achieve? Are you thinking that if you keep being rude enough for long enough that they’ll cancel? And why would you want them to anyway? If you don’t like the movie, don’t watch it – simple as! There are people who will watch it, and enjoy it too. If they want to make it, why shouldn’t they?
I mean, the sheer pointlessness, hypocrisy and childishness of your remarks makes my brain feel like it’s slowly oozing out of my nose! You deliberately skew and misunderstand pretty much everything they’ve said. Nothing they say can ever satisfy you! Have you noticed they’ve been keeping a tolerant and constantly polite tone while they’ve been replying to your endless slew of generally offensive remarks?
I’m not judging this film. It’s almost irrelevant at the point in the argument you’ve brought this to. I don’t care if it’s good or not, I never watched SatAM anyway (being British). I’m not judging, nor defending Richard Kuta and his team either. So there’s no point calling me one of his “minions” or part of his “pity squad”. I’m tired of your deplorable posting.
I just want you lot to drop it, and grow up. I don’t give a damn what you think about me. Although from the behaviour you’ve exhibited so far, expect this post will just bounce of your logic, or lack thereof.
Exactly… I don’t care if people don’t want to support the movie. What bothers me is this constant attacking of the movie, and even the people involved, trying to make both them and the movie fail. Thanks Zink120 for reminding everyone of the Golden Rule!
By the way, here’s our first live recording from the channel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/sonicmoviecall
@Mysterious Guy Y: Your statement regarding sound score is laughably hypocritical. By your logic, you should go after the mass majority of youtube and newground Sonic videos that use Linkin Park and Nickleback songs. Im sure all those kids got permission straight from the band to use their material. Plus Michael Tavera, freely released the unused SatAM score for public domain use. Meaning its within anyones rights to use. And using the SatAM score has nothing to do with being lazy, its about triggering memories of the ole skool version of the franchise; which is the whole point of the first movie. One of the many reasons video game movies fail is cause they dont use the original music from the source material via games, cartoons and such. I even intended the intro credits to incorpoate the theme from Green Hill Zone.
@Piyoko14: You need to realize that Sonic began in 1991 not 1999 and it really irks me how people of this generation intentionally try to forgot about Sonic’s past. Sure many of the older fans left the fanbase, but it doesnt mean they have forgotten those cherrished memories of their youth. If people ages 25-30 discovered that a possible Sonic movie will incorporate elements from the classic cartoons, archie comics and Genesis games that will bring back the orignal fans and create an influx of newer ones that will get a well deserved history lesson on the franchise. When youre dealing with established property, its imperative to follow EVERYTHING that the franchise has produced. If the movie was soley based on Sonic X or just the modern games, thats alienating the older fanbase. The reason I stretched the story out into triology saga, is so its balanced and structured. You cant expect one movie to cram in every character from the last 20 years. It would be disasterious, like the Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat movies. I spent years composing a storyarc that ties together elements from every continuity in a cohehive method. So in a way, the movies would be its own continuity blended from the familar elements of the comics, cartoons, and games.
I’d also like to add to the end of my last post, that I apologise for losing my temper towards the end. Rather… hypocritical, wasn’t it ;-]
@Aknotholeresident
By that logic, you’re admitting that your “grand” movie project is nothing more but another newgrounds flash. Good Job.
Also, SatAM isn’t canon, which is one of the many reasons why its ridiculous to try to merge it with any other Sonic series. I really like the way you play the crowds though, with the SatAM crowd you hype up how its a SatAM movie, and with the other sonic fans, you talk about how its NOT a SatAM movie. Only problem is, that this is the internet, and everyone can see you doing that.
I also find it strange that only the female freedom fighters made it into this movie. I’m not calling you a furry pervert, but I do find it strange. Since in SatAM the main characters all knew each other from childhood.
But man, I don’t know how you do it Kuta. You make a huge drama storm about how you are SUPER SERIOUSLY quitting the movie and the fanbase forever. Then you come back not 5 to 6 days later. I’ve said this before, but I’ll say it again in hopes that it sinks in. This is why you have no credibility with the majority of the sonic fanbase, or the internet in general.
No worries… we all need a little chastising sometimes.
But… I guess some of us need a little more.
@A Knothole Resident: I didn’t say a movie based solely on Sonic X. I’m not one of the kids that only know him from Sonic X, I was just speaking for their side of the story. I’m more of an old fan.
But still, not even all of Sonic’s older fans watched SatAM when it was on. A Sonic movie wouldn’t have to based on a modern game, I meant that it should use characters that are familiar to everyone, such as Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Eggman. These are old characters that both old and new Sonic fans know about.
I have some questions for you: If SoJ approved your movie, but only if you made some major changes to the story and all, would you go through with it?
(this question doesn’t go with my earlier comment, just something I wanted to ask)
Would this movie only come out in America?
If this includes SatAM characters, would you need permission from DIC or Archie also?
This is funny… I could make a documentary about all the opposition there was in making this Sonic movie, and probably make a ton of money. Trolls, keep up the good work! I’ll have a juicy documentary to make if this movie makes it!
This is funny… I could make a documentary about all the opposition there was in making this Sonic movie, and probably make a ton of money. Trolls, keep up the good work! I’ll have a juicy documentary to produce if this movie makes it!
That is, if AKR is ok with it?
@Piyoko14
If it allowed him to make this movie, there’s nothing he wouldn’t agree to. Because this movie to him is ONLY about getting praise and attention. I seriously think he would even remove his precious Sally if they told him to.
@Sonic360
Of course AKR would be ok with it, its more attention for him. Btw, lets see if you have this attitude a month from now when your call in fails epically.
Boy, that troll is slipping. I said after the movie was made… whatever. “In LULZ we trust” just be messing with his head.
… Or epically succeeds. At least I’ll have a bunch of supporters that will look at you and will think “this guy must be possessed by a devil, or he has a mental disorder.”
Oh sorry PhantomCake, I was busy reporting you to livestream for streaming SatAM. The attitude I was talking about was you actually thinking this movie will ever be official. I hope that clears it up.
This is pretty fun… having trolls to play hardball with. It just makes the call-in more challenging. You’ll have to do more than that to scare me. I know plenty of people at my university who are more than willing to call-in. And they don’t even have to visit the website. That’s another point for sonichedgehog360 for ingenuity (or troll stupidity!).
If people called in for the movie, what would happen if people called in against the movie?
I have a feeling SoJ would need a lot of aspirins…
Sorry, but no… you’ll have to do much better than that!
That’s why I’m keeping the call-in info in the forums
And you could only get that by snail mail– SoJ/SoE numbers are unlisted!
@Sonic360 – For an adult you sure double post alot………
I like how you assume
A. That trolls can’t get the same phone numbers you have
B. That they need YOU to contact SEGA.
Prove it to me!
@Sonic360
Very well,
Sega of Europe in London, England: 011-44-181-995-3399
Sega of Japan: 011-8135-736-7720
Sega of Germany: 011-494-0299-380
Sega of France: 011-331-4662-1212
Pretty good, but some of them are wrong, and I’m not telling you which ones
@Sonic360
So wait, you are actually calling Germany and France as well? lol
Maybe… or maybe not. You’ll have to join my site’s forums to figure this one out.
@Mysterious Guy Y : Are you being serious? Are those the real numbers?
@Sonic360
Sorry, I don’t mingle with minions. Its one of my personal policies.
@Piyoko14
Yeah, those are the correct numbers.
“Minion?” Anyone who uses ED is a minion to the most corrupt being of all time.
But… I’m still feeling good about the call-in, and especially can’t tell you now!
Whatever you need to tell yourself phantomcake.
I agree with Zink120. Mysterious Guy Y, I’m having trouble deciphering if you’re intentionally attempting to instigate up trouble or if you’re just completely retarded. Most of your posts are devoid of logic and common sense that even a 5 year old can comprehend. If you’re going to continue to gloss over the detailed facts that have been explained, then I might as well be talking to a brick wall.
Furthermore, if people like you frown upon others who are persistent and dedicated in their goals, then I feel sorry for you. That attitude you have displayed indicates that you have no drive or motivation to pursue anything you believe in. You feel that quitting would be the easy answer cause you’re either too lazy, apathetic, passive, or uncreative to commit so something.
This movie has nothing to do with fame, fortune or attention. Sure it’s about fulfilling a childhood goal, but it’s also about appeasing a wilder audience from a franchise that’s endearing to everyone. If you have to think from a marketing perspective how this film can be successful. Not just fans, but general moviegoers who probably never heard of Sonic. Going back to your assumption of axing Sally, no, I would not allow that to happen. If Sega did that, then I would immediately cancel the project cause she was a prominent character back then and still is today in the Archie Comics. I am a man of integrity, and I believe in the inclusion of characters that built this franchise from the start.
Unlike greedy, incompetent hacks like Michael Bay who bastardize popular franchises, I would meticulously stay faithful to the source material. Hasbro may have cashed in on their Transformers property, but at what cost? Their dignity! Deep down, I bet Hasbro regrets ever hiring some jock-douche who added pointless low brow humor, racially insensitive jokes, incoherent storylines, with nothing thought provoking or emotionally attached. By the way, thank Warner Bros for passing on his atrociously bad script to The Dark Knight. You want something to laugh at? Read this so-called prolific screenplay and you tell me that this man doesn’t deserve the ridicule he constantly he receives. http://my.spill.com/profiles/blog/show?id=947994%3ABlogPost%3A355506
People like that, don’t deserve to make movies and it breaks my heart knowing this man is able to throw money around and ruin other franchises. The only franchise that actually lived up to the hype this year was Spike Jonez’ brilliant adaptation of Where the Wild Things Are. That is a director that cares more about his craft than his bank account and is a true inspiration for aspiring film makers.
FYI, most of those phone numbers are inaccurate if not outdated.
I agree with Zink120. Mysterious Guy Y, I’m having trouble deciphering if you’re intentionally attempting to instigate up trouble or if you’re just completely retarded. Most of your posts are devoid of logic and common sense that even a 5 year old can comprehend. If you’re going to continue to gloss over the detailed facts that have been explained, then I might as well be talking to a brick wall. Furthermore, if people like you frown upon others who are persistent and dedicated in their goals, then I feel sorry for you. That attitude you have displayed indicates that you have no drive or motivation to pursue anything you believe in. You feel that quitting would be the easy answer cause you’re either too lazy, apathetic, passive, or uncreative to commit so something.
This movie has nothing to do with fame, fortune or attention. Sure it’s about fulfilling a childhood goal, but it’s also about appeasing a wilder audience from a franchise that’s endearing to everyone. If you have to think from a marketing perspective how this film can be successful. Not just fans, but general moviegoers who probably never heard of Sonic. Going back to your assumption of axing Sally, no, I would not allow that to happen. If Sega did that, then I would immediately cancel the project cause she was a prominent character back then and still is today in the Archie Comics. I am a man of integrity, and I believe in the inclusion of characters that built this franchise from the start.
Unlike greedy, incompetent hacks like Michael Bay who bastardize popular franchises, I would meticulously stay faithful to the source material. Hasbro may have cashed in on their Transformers property, but at what cost? Their dignity! Deep down, I bet Hasbro regrets ever hiring some jock-douche who added pointless low brow humor, racially insensitive jokes, incoherent storylines, with nothing thought provoking or emotionally attached. By the way, thank Warner Bros for passing on his atrociously bad script to The Dark Knight. You want something to laugh at? Read this so-called prolific screenplay and you tell me that this man doesn’t deserve the ridicule he constantly he receives. http://my.spill.com/profiles/blog/show?id=947994%3ABlogPost%3A355506
People like Michael Bay, don’t deserve to make movies and it breaks my heart knowing this man is able to throw money around and ruin other franchises without a guilty conscience. The only franchise that actually lived up to the hype this year was Spike Jonez’ brilliant adaptation of Where the Wild Things Are. That is a director that cares more about his craft than his bank account and is a true inspiration for aspiring film makers.
FYI, most of those phone numbers are inaccurate if not outdated.
Phantomcake… a dessert only a ghost can eat. Sounds like an awesome name to me!
Any rebuttal, troll
?
“But still, not even all of Sonic’s older fans watched SatAM when it was on. A Sonic movie wouldn’t have to based on a modern game, I meant that it should use characters that are familiar to everyone, such as Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, and Eggman. These are old characters that both old and new Sonic fans know about.”
Thank you, Piyoko14. My sentiments exactly. This is what I’ve been trying to state to AKR this whole time! Not everyone is going to recognize Sally and Bunnie right away and it’ll just add more conflict between the fanbase. Not to mention SatAM is NON-CANON to the series so it wouldn’t work! You’re mixing two separate universes to make one that might not go well with fans.
In fact, what IS this movie supposed to be about? They never told us yet. Yes, it’s a Sonic movie, but WHAT ELSE? What’s the plot to it? Until I find out, I’m not going to ask for a movie that might end up being a disaster….like many other video game movies in the past.
That’s why a few scientists fear that our universe will be destroyed from interaction with a parallel universe. lol
@AKR – At least Micheal Bay deals with his critics, and isn’t some spineless baby who quits the business every other week.
I think I’m going to start calling you Kuta Boll. Because you act just like Uwe Boll, and those two names just flow so well together.
Also, this whole “You don’t like me, so YOU must be jealous of me” logic is so VERY VERY flawed. And it just makes you look like an even bigger pompous ass.
@AKR – Additionally, you have no comment about why only the female freedom fighters are in this movie?
@AngelJump: The speculation of SatAM of not being canonized has been grossly misconstrued. First off, in order for a continuity to be canonized, it needs the stamp of approval from its head source which SatAM received. Same applies to Archie Comics, Sonic X, Sonic Underground and such. If Sega didn’t give their approval on the aforementioned properties, they would not only be considered unofficial fan fiction, but they wouldn’t exist in publicized media via broadcast or publication. So weather you hold some hatred towards either of these continuities, the fact remains they ALL belong under the SEGA umbrella. Plus if SatAM wasn’t popular, then please explain to me why the freedom fighters are STILL central characters in the Archie Comics. The fact alone is a reason to incorporate them into a Sonic movie. Sure they havent appeared in the games, but theyre presense is still well known. It creates more awareness of the comics and even drives their curiosity of the TV show. This is how franchises are revived. By going back to its beginings and showing the newer generation why it was popular and how it can be in modern times. Going back to the comics and SatAM characters, let’s not forget about the Sally Preservation Movement of 1997 that DEMANDED that prevented the death of her character from the comics. Ironically, it was SEGA that saved her from that fate cause they knew they would lose a huge portion of their fans. I highly suggest you do your research before spouting ignorance.
@Mysterious Guy Y: And yeah, you hit the nail on the head with your statement. Ive encountered people like you throughout my life. The type who enjoy bringing someone down to their level cause theyre bitter, envious losers.
@AKR – Whatever you need to tell yourself baby. All I know is that its not me being pranked called by 15 year olds and not being able to post anywhere without my past being brought up.
Now, why don’t you answer my question. Why were only the female freedom fighters brought over into this movie? (I already know the answer, but I want to see you type it)
I love how youre trying to turn this into an interrogation. Its cute, but if you want more answers about the film, read the FAQ on my site. Its what its there for. Goodnight.
Cool, I feel like I’m watching a sporting event!
*Said in a typical commentator accent*
“Oh and it’s a cool sign off from AKR, I’m taking bets, folks! Who thinks that Mysterious Guy Y is gonna try and get the last word?”
More seriously though, I think you should sign off, MGY. If you’re trying to achieve something here, AKR has made it very clear you’re not going to get it, and if you’re not trying to get anything out of this bizzare, yet heated exchange, then you should probably go do something else. I don’t know you, but I REFUSE to believe that you have nothing better to do!
For anyone who doesn’t already know, the reason that Kuta only brought over the female freedom fighters was to please the furries. (a group which he is part of)
@AKR
Look, I’m sorry. I just thought it wouldn’t be a good idea because most people aren’t familiar with the characters. I don’t have hatred over SatAM. I wouldn’t buy the DVD collection if I did, but maybe the others were right about you. I didn’t want to believe that you were a jerk, but you didn’t have to call my logic ignorance. I was just stating my opinion and it really hurts that you would say something like that about me or anyone for that matter.
I could have talked trash to you like Mysterious Guy Y and the others, but I didn’t because I have respect for others; even after what you just said I STILL wouldn’t call you out of your name or call your logic as being “ignorance”, but you didn’t have to go that far. Once again, I truly apologize, but that was uncalled for.
@A Knothole Resident:
I have one last question: When you were first advertising your movie, were you advertising it in a place where SatAM fans gather, or a place where all different types Sonic fans converse?
Because this whole backlash of comments is due to the fact that all of the Sonic fans on this site are Sonic fans for all different types of reasons.
The thing that leads me to believe that this movie idea was only originally advertised to SatAM fans was the fact that you said that you recieved a lot of harrassment when the trailer was released, causing you to “end” production of the movie.
I’m not trying to criticize your decisions, I’m just trying to clear up some confusion.
@AngelJump:
You seem like a really sweet person
@AngelJump
I agree – uncalled for. But look at it from his perspective. For the past few hours he’s been dealing with an (ironically given his accusations) idiotic troll who is a stranger to logic and reason. I expect his temper was a bit short, and given the attacks he’s had on site here, perhaps he was a bit jumpy?
But I can’t go putting words into his mouth. He might have meant it! lol
@MGY
Put as politely as possible – How old are you?
@A Knothole Resident:
I seriously doubt Hasbro has any regrets in letting Michael Bay direct the Transformers films. He’s made them a load of cash from the money he’s brought in with his films. Are they quality films, visually yes, but with no substance to them. Remember the franchise started with the toys. Hasbro has been doing nothing but trying to get your money since the whole thing started, that’s why they purchased the toyline from the original Japanese manufacturers. The cartoons made afterwards didn’t have much of a story line than the films did, and you know this is true. The only difference is the cartoon was able to draw it out rather than try and cram some convoluted idea into a 2 hour film. Actually when you look back at the cartoons, the movies DO follow the same concepts, themes, and ideas. Bay and his writers just changed the story, which was done with the original cartoons anyways, direct it to children and adolescents, like…you guessed it, the cartoons did. Even the adult humor was childish in a sense.
While he’s a hack, he is not incompetent, otherwise he would not of had so much success since he made Bad Boys. This man seems to be able to take a shitty script, throw in a whole lot of fast camera work and explosions, and make back the budget as a summer blockbuster. Because of this, studios keep throwing money at him to make more films of the similar formula. He certainly can manage a budget, and put his money’s worth into a scene, even if that scene serves no purpose to the story other than to conjure up an enormous fireball.
Let me point something in your logic here that seems greatly flawed. You keep saying that you would meticulously stay faithful to the source material. You continue to claim that this movie you are trying to throw together is a SatAM movie. Yet you are trying to throw in plots, places, and other themes from all the games and other cartoons. The SatAM in general, never even existed in the same setting as the games. It would be like trying to make a Star Trek film, and including characters and places from Babylon 5, Star Wars, and Battlestar Galactica, and trying to pass it off as a Star Trek film.
In truth I don’t think you have any idea what you are doing. You’re certainly doing a terrible job pitching your idea to Sega who are not even the one’s you should be asking, as they only own a few of the characters. Also why go through all the trouble trying to create a badly done mash-up of a story, when you can just use an idea from the existing comic series by Archie Comics that follows the same universe and characters? It doesn’t have to be exact, but at least it’ll be familiar to the SatAM cartoon, and closer to it’s canon than what you are attempting to conjure up.
@ Mysterious Guy Y: *raises hand* Oh! Oh! I know! Kuta includes only the female freedom fighters from SATam in his silly spectacle because they’re quite the furry eye candy for him and other like minded fans. Kinda like how Ray Jones and the other Rangerphiles think that Gadget character from that old Disney show is teh sex. D:
@Angel Jump – You can find one of the drafts to this silly thing on the web. I won’t link it here because I’m sure Tristan would wipe it, but it’s out there. It’s really nothing more than an overhyped fanfic that lacks substance – as far as I could tell he snagged some crap about Sonic’s origins from the so-called “origin” story that was cooked up for the west (i.e. Sonic being brown, Eggman being good, etc.) mixed in with some plot from an episode of SATam.
@ Kuta – Don’t talk about integrity when you’ve made more posts about quitting this silly project/fandom more times than I care to count. Like the saying goes, “If I had a dime for every time I heard that, I’d be rich.” No pun intended, Rich. You come here and start talking this movie jive one moment and then you’re bawling your eyes out in a corner the next because folks like me are oh so mean and don’t like what you claim is supposed to help unify a fanbase that you also have cursed in the same breath. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone flip flop about something as much as I’ve seen you have, and by now I’m pretty damn sure you’re Bipolar or suffering from some other form of mental illness given how this has kept on.
Meh. It’s all the same anyway. You’ll keep jiving on like a punk jive turkey, making this project look more “awesome” and extravagant when you’ll never truly follow through on what you claim. Especially since you seem dead set on getting this made official (again) when it was probably better off (and more realistic towards accomplishing) as a fan project.
@Zink120
It seems to be a running theme, that whenever Kuta graces the public with his presence, he or one of his underlings end up making half-hearted apologies for his words. If he really got upset over an argument that he had with someone online, then he’s a bigger fool than I originally thought.
Also, sorry, I don’t give out any personal information on the internet. Its a scary place filled with equally scary people, lol.
@Zink120 Thanks for trying to clear things up!
@Not Surprised
Correct, and now for the bonus question. How many times has Kuta “quit” the fanbase/movie project?
lol
@ Piyoko14
I can say the same for you, too.
@ Zink102
I understand that he’s been going through a lot from the community. I can’t really say I side with him because I have no idea what his history is like and/or know if he’s telling the truth or not. I can’t really judge him for what people say or think of him. I do think it was uncalled for, but I forgive him even if he does think I’m ignorant.
@ Not Surprised
Thanks for clearing that up for me. If that’s true, then all I can say is that it doesn’t sound like a “mix” between the games and SatAM to me.
@ Mysterious Guy Y: I’ve honestly lost count of how many times Kuta’s claimed to have canned this project. I’d estimate that it’s over 9000.
Also, another inconsistent point about all of this is how he claims to have worked x amount of years towards making this pipe dream a bigger pipe dream. One moment he claims he’s been working on it for 4 years, then it changes to a decade. Jeez.
@Rich Urrrm… that Michael Bay ‘Dark Knight’ script was a mock-up to make fun of the man – he didn’t actually write it, you bonehead.
On that troll-created DA account….
@Sonicthehedgehog360
Just curious. Exactly what are you hoping to achieve with this call-in? Looking in at your Call-in Forum you have only ten members (including yourself and Rich), there is zero activity there (not one single post from any member), and other forums you advertised in have shown little to no interest at all (some of your topics scoring not even a single reply).
Not trying to be malicious to you mate, but what the hell do you really think is going to happen here when the 1st of December comes along and all you have to show for it are 8 forum members and the so-called “plenty of people at my university” to phone-in?
You might as well scratch my name off of that 8 member list, by the way. I joined your forum thinking you actually had something growing here. Despite your self encouraging words to the contrary, I was very disappointed to see you have nothing at all going for you that will make this ‘call-in’ anything but a few desperate whispers blowing in the wind.
You and Rich are certainly cut from the same cloth: You guys love the fancy talk to make it appear bigger than it really is.
[Edit] Seems that I can’t count. Total forum members is nine, not ten.
@ Sonic 360 – Or should I say Phantomcake/satamfan. Nice going on the Sonic Stadium’s forums btw. Now no one has to be bothered with this rubbish because the admins there are going to instantly banhammer anyone who brings it up.
@ John Roberts: Thanks anyway! It was nice to see on the forums for the little time you were on. Thanks!
@Not Surprised: If you think my alias is Phantomcake, that’s weird. I thought you were labeling me with that name. Wonder where you got that notion from… You mind telling me?
@MGY
I’ve never seen that DA journal entry before, and it was posted last year? Must admit I find it funny seeing Rich admit to so much there when, earlier this year, he fought tooth and nail to deny it with as many excuses as he could muster (especially the plagerism bit). Then again it really is no surprise to see him lie again and again.
You really are something else, Rich.
@John – Even funnier that if he had continued acknowledging his past like that, instead of outright denying it, he probably wouldn’t have 1/10th the amount of trolls that he has today.
“Always tell the truth. That way, you don’t have to remember what you said.” ~ Mark Twain
Can someone please sum up to me exactly why Rich has so many haters? I haven’t been around for the entire incident (7 years?).
“The greater the truth the greater the libel.” ~Ellenborough, Lord
“Nor do they trust their tongue alone, but speak a language of their own; can read a nod, a shrug, a look, far better than a printed book; convey a libel in a frown, and wink a reputation down.” ~ Jonathan Swift
“He’s not the Messiah. He’s a very naughty boy!”
And again, I’ve had to edit / blow away posts on this matter.
So again, I will remind everyone that personal attacks or otherwise inflammatory items will be tossed, and I will begin with IP bans if it continues. This includes things that I don’t find related to the story, like personal photos or references to them. We are not AED. Don’t test my tolerance.
-T
Kind of makes me glad I ditched the blue hedgehog a very long time ago before this generation war began. Anyway, I have no idea why this “movie” is being made with characters from SaTAM. Sonic fans these days don’t even know that show existed nor have they even played the 3 games on the Genesis. Honestly, why would a Sonic fan today care about characters from a Saturday Morning show that was on before they were even born? If this “movie” had the recent characters from the newer Sonic games, then Sega might take interest.
I’m sorry to say that this “movie” and the call in is just a waste of time. Why would some big video game company from Japan want to take interest in a Sonic the Hedgehog movie with characters that were not made by them? Sega would only make something using characters that are in the games and not some Saturday morning cartoon from the 90’s.
@A Knothole Resident:
I know that you don’t think to highly of Michael Bay and how in your mind, he ruined Transformers for you. I’m a fan of the original 80’s cartoon, but I did enjoy the 2007 movie, but I was glad I didn’t see the sequel. About if Hasbro is regretting letting Bay make the movies, I would like to say that it’s all about the money. As long as the movies are Transformers, people will eat it up and spend money to see it. Quite honestly AKR, maybe if you used your talents on something else instead of some Saturday morning cartoon and a boring comic, you could have been successful and not have to deal with all this hate.
@Sonichedgehog360
You’re really wasting your time with this call-in. Sega is concerned with the Sonic universe that they have made with the newer games and the Anime, not looking back with an old Saturday morning cartoon and that comic that really needs to end. I mean, who reads that anyway?
@ Kuta: Uh, no it’s not imperative that someone follow everything a franchise has produced in order to draw in fans. Look at TMNT – a lot of what sold back then (to kids) was the cartoon and comics that Archie Comics adapted from the more graphic, darker Eastman and Laird series. As much as I (a girl, mind you) was okay with the cartoons, I was thrown for a loop when the first live action movie came out because it seemed…off. Splinter was originally a rat instead of a guy turned into a rat, the turtles cursed, and there was no Bee Bop, Rock Steady, or Crang floating around in that Technodome base they had in the cartoons.
Little things like that and later finding out that the Archie comics/cartoon was just some watered down trip got on my nerves, just as you’ll probably alienate the fanbase by claiming this encompasses everything Sonic. There’s a difference between paying homage to something – an example would be how the current TMNT cartoon sometimes has a character running around in an outfit from the original cartoon, or look like another character from it – to distinctively catering towards one side of the fandom. The most I’ve seen you do since you announced this project how many years ago was simply toss in Metal Sonic to appease the game fanbase. I might think he’s cool, but to me your project is mostly still a bastardization of that Sonic origins story from way back and SatAM.
Also, Mysterious Guy Y said it best – you’ll stretch the truth just to get more support for this thing. You’ll gall SatAM fans on by saying its set in that while going somewhere else that prefers the game continuity and say that it encompasses all elements (when it’s just really an awkwardly placed Metal Sonic amidst a SATam locale backdrop.) Oh, and you gave Sonic and Tails some sort of compromise between their SatAM designs and next gen ones. D:
@ John – He only has 8-9 people signed up for this call in? Ha ha. Such an accomplishment lol.
“This is funny… I could make a documentary about all the opposition there was in making this Sonic movie, and probably make a ton of money. Trolls, keep up the good work! I’ll have a juicy documentary to make if this movie makes it!”
To be honest, I’d actually prefer to see THAT movie. I’d imagine it’d be a lot more interesting.
@A Knothole Resident: The presence of SatAM Robotnik destroys your (unimaginably slim) chances. That design is little known and hasn’t been used in forever. Not even the Archie comics use it. Get him outta there!
Well that makes 2 consecutive new post that I’ve made that have been deleted.
Lets see if this comment can avoid deletion by staying strictly on topic.
In my opinion this call in is a foolish idea, that will only end up hurting this movie project.
Unlike some people here, all I have IS negativity, and I don’t mind that one iota. Apologies if that offends anyone, but I seriously don’t want nor see the occurrence of a Sonic movie based on a ten-years-dead cartoon series (even disregarding the successful comic book spin-off which still prints to this day), when it directly conflicts with the canon of the main continuity, the game series (even if the games’ plots have, recently, been absolute trash at worst, corny as @#$% at best). It just doesn’t make sense; you’re catering to what is, for all intents and purposes, the vast minority of Sonic fans, and fan-service on THIS kind of scale doesn’t happen to such a small portion. Let alone one from absolute nobodies, particularly when big-name people, like Ken Penders and DreamWorks, have been trying to do the same thing with roughly the same success as I’ve described.
It won’t happen. It SHOULDN’T happen. If there WAS going to be a movie, it should be one based on the primary series (the games), but even then, the writing of that series must pick up the slack before it can happen (because the plots of the games lately are nowhere NEAR the level of a quality movie).
Who was the moron that told him he shouldn’t call in a saturday? God damn it!
@GT
He would have just tried again on the following Monday, besides I kinda want to see the results of this, they should be hilarious. The kid running this thing didn’t even know about the call time limit of the original service he was using. And the one he’s using now seems kinda iffy about when it charges you.
The whole concept of contacting (pestering) Sega for this movie is ridiculous in the first place. Made even more foolish that a call in is the worse way to go about it, a mass snail mail in would be more effective. But they won’t use that method because there’s no way Kuta could get any praise or attention. Rest assured that when December 1st comes, Kuta will be at that site all day, fishing for compliments and getting his ego stroked.
Well, I’ve removed the SatAM episodes, and not because of your request MYG. I did because I’m going to do what’s right, not follow the Rich’s bad example from the past where he sold DVDs on eBay. Even though thousands of people upload cartoons to YouTube all the time, I’m not going to do that. I’m going to keep my good name. I’m not going to blow that away even if this was for an Academy Award-winning script. Don’t even bother me with the “oh, he’s a flip-flop… blah, blah, blah.” I know what choice I needed to make, I repented, and I made it.
Now, I’m deeply angered by the smut-throwing here. If you don’t want the movie made, then sit back and let the thing fail on its own. If the movie doesn’t have the polish, it won’t make it… got it? People working for Sega will figure it out if it’s worth it or not, and will live with it. They’re trained professionals with more than enough experience to figure things out.
@Sonic360
Yes, you are correct when you say that the people working for Sega are trained professionals. The same trained professionals who decided to pass on this movie a couple years back. So the professional response would be not to pitch the same movie to them again, by staging a scripted call in.
But it’s not the same movie, if you mean the script. It’s like 4th draft if I remember correctly. Plus, after waiting a number of years, it’s logical to try to re-submit the idea. If it’s not worth it, let ‘em deny it. I don’t care. I actually liked Night of the Werehog, and that was at least something near-cinematic quality.
By the way, thanks for not holding the SatAM video upload thing against me. That was a dumb thing to do, and I’m not going to make the same dumb mistakes other people have made. Plus, there’s plenty of Sonic sites that could be closed down from the illegal content… “Fast” *cough* “Feet” “Sonic” *cough “Stadium”.
@Sonic360
Should you really be saying that about a forum that you are a member of? Also, the reason why it doesn’t make sense to re-pitch this movie is because in this case, the studio specially told the “director” not to contact them again about it. Why else do you think that YOU have to organize this event? If this wasn’t true, Kuta himself would be constantly pitching this movie over and over again like he did up until 2009. He also wouldn’t be hiding behind another studio in hopes that Sega doesn’t find out he is involved. (I’m referring to his most recent pitch that he claimed he made)
I actually don’t mind TSS having that content on their site. It’s a fan collaboration, so there’s going to be various people with differing standards working on there. TSS is still nice, and has a nice professional look to it. At the very least, Sega likes their Summer of Sonic events and sends them promo material all the time. I’ll just stick to subjects that are liked there since anything that has “sonic: SotCE” tagged on it are immediately banned, previous to me posting on there last week’s topic btw.
Shoot, did someone answer my question but then it got deleted?
I can answer for you. Jealousy. I don’t understand jealousy myself, but the trolls will do all they can to make you think that they’re good, honest people. That’s definitely not the case, though. Don’t believe them, no matter how good they twist the facts, or lie. It’s quite obvious if the project wasn’t any good, the trolls would let it fail on its own.
@ Sonic360 – A good person tries to follow through on what they say about 99.9% of the time. I can’t say Kuta’s a good person given how much he’s flip flopped about the production status of this project along with details attached to it. As a Sonic fan, I am by no means jealous of Kuta. If I was truly that jealous I’d go out and make my own movie or something of equal merit within the community to get the cred and respect that he wants so badly. However I am irate, tired, and just plain sick of hearing about this project every chance he gets a little soapbox to rant about the hate or hype it up with what little progress he’s made. He claims to have been doing this for what? 5-6 years? 10 years? And all he has to show for it is some 40 second trailer and a load of drama attached to it. If he really wanted it done, it’d have been done, or if it was really too much he’d have given up and moved on like he claimed last week.
Then again, I’m the type of fan perfectly content with drawing fan art, writing fanfiction, or even possibly submitting a portfolio to Archie Comics to pencil stories for one of their Sonic comics. While I’m still working on it I’m not posting about it everywhere I go in as a means to get the cred/respect if I did get the latter. In fact, acting like that serves to hinder my focus, not to mention the very real possibility that I could be turned down.
Whereas I’m being more realistic towards what I can accomplish, Kuta hasn’t and apparently doesn’t acknowledge the fact that he can/has failed in getting this thing made official. Those C&D notices should have been indication enough, but if the both of you really want to go there with this call in, all I can say is be prepared for the very real possibility of having this fall on deaf ears, legal action, etc.
[...] TSSZ News reported earlier this month that the effort was originally planned for December 5th, but had been pushed up to December 1st. The news was sent in not by organizer Sonicthehedgehog360, but by Richard Kuta, who placed the fan film’s production on indefinite hiatus in October. Still, a check of the original hub for the project confirms the information, as it now redirects to another site. No reason was given for the cancellation. [...]