That’s One Way to Supplement an Eyewitness Account
TSSZ News has learned a prominent member of the Sonic community claims to have playtested Sonic the Hedgehog 4, and has gone on the record willing to back up his impressions of the non-final build with a possible dump of the game for all to see.
In the words of Endri Lauson, a tech member of Sonic Retro and developer of the ongoing Sonic fan game Sonic Attitude, he may have nothing to lose by doing so.
“I believe I’ll get fired regardless tomorrow,” Endri said tonight, “Just for telling my point of view about the project.”
Endri made those remarks on Retro after giving a very detailed account of his impressions of the current alpha build of Sonic 4 that has circulated among Microsoft’s developer network, PartnerNet. It came after several community members,, including a handful of prominent ones, doubted his words. We have those remarks, in full, below.
“If you check my entire posting history here at (Sonic) Retro, you’ll see that I post nothing more than my own experiences,” Endri continued. “But whatever, trying to prove my point makes me look like I’m really trolling.”
Among Endri’s remarks are that anyone with a Developer’s XBOX360 can access the game, there are only four proper zones to speak up in episode 1 of Sonic 4, and that the ESRB has already rated the game, making significant changes a hard sell at this point.
Thus far, Endri has not provided screenshots or video to back up his claim, and that has prompted many in the community to question his analysis, or whether he played Sonic 4 at all.
In the hours since Endri made his remarks, many Sonic Retro administrators are asking those interested to not consider the words pure fact until further developments ensue.
“Right now, given what is very ‘shaky’ terms (and I say that to be polite), I’d advise everyone to take this as rumor at best,” said Sonic Retro administrator Scarred Sun. “I will say if this turns out to be false, there will be consequences.”
“Despite Endri’s words, which are already shaky for a number of reasons, he’s not presented any proof yet,” added GeneHF, another Sonic Retro staff member.
TSSZ News has made the decision to publish Endri’s remarks, in full, so you may decide yourself whether he speaks the truth of not. (It will be made clearer why this was a decision more so than an automatic story in a public Special Statement we will make later Friday.) The stakes for him personally are high if this is proven false, but the stakes may be even higher for the community if the words are true and backed up with a dump of the game, many months before a planned Summer release.
Friday could be a very pivotal day both with regard to Sonic 4 and community relations at large. We will carefully monitor the situation here at TSSZ News, and we have filed this under our Rumor Alert segment, but in the meantime, you can respond to what’s disclosed in Endri’s remarks in our comments area. Thanks to ThE InFoRmEr for sending this in to our News Tips system.
Early in the morning today, I, and a other few (un)lucky people, had the opportunity to play test the X-BOX 360 version of the game. In fact, any of you could do it as well, provided you own a Developer’s Console, or a J-TAGged system.
I’ll try to give a very briefly analysis of what were my thoughts about this game.
Graphically (and artistically, I must say), the game is very beautiful, even thought I can’t really eat that cel-shading effect they put in Sonic’s model, to make it look like a differed shaded Genesis sprite.Something important to notice is that, the 3D models are not really 3D models, instead, they are sprites of pre-rendered 3D models. SO we are pretty much dealing with a 2D game here. That goes for everything else but Sonic, since I’m not sure as if Sonic is really a sprite itself, but I pretty much think it is. That might explain the awkward animations.
The level design. I played through Splash Hill Zone entirely up until Casino Street Zone. Splash Hill Zone is pretty much Neo Leaf Forest Zone (for those who don’t know, Sonic Advance 2′s first stage). Everything about it looked like Leaf Forest. Hell, even the level art itself reminds Leaf Forest some way or another. The level design pretty much encourages the player to keep going to the right, except when the levels abruptly decides to force you to go in the opposite direction by inserting unexpected walls, making you jump, jump to the left, jump to the right, keep running to the right. It is especially strange, considering the level layouts encourages you to keep running right. The acts are actually considerably huge in size, but quite short in time, much like Sonic Advance 2 stages. I don’t remember any level specific gimmick on the first stage, which is pretty unfortunate. You gotta love Casino Street Zone, since it’s freaking Casino Night Zone. It’s exactly identical. The colors, the tiles, everything. The level layout however is much like Music Plant Zone from Sonic Advance 2. A level that right encourages speed. Ha, about the Special Stages, they are quite fun actually, it is Sonic 1′s Distorted Dimension, but with a new twist: instead of controlling Sonic, you control the stage itself. So yeah, my oversight was right after all. In terms of difficult, I found it harder than Sonic 1′s Special Stages (and provided, they were rather easy). I believe they are going to be even fun/harder with the motion controls of the Wiimote/Six-axis/DualShock3, since you have to rotate the stage using the trigger buttons in the X-BOX 360 version (RT rotates to the right, LT to the left, etc). Looks like a pinball of sort. Oh, don’t let me get started on the boss fight. You might already imagine how it is by now.
The gameplay is pretty solid, actually. Which is a great thing. However, the game pretty much have the physics of Sonic Rush. I hate I hate I hate I hate I hate, I can’t stress enough how I hate the jump! Fucking jump! It’s the worst jump I’ve ever seem in a Sonic game to date. Apparently they tried to mimic the ‘the longer you hold down the jump button, the longer you accent’ mechanic of the classic games, but as a result, they fucked the freaking cake with it. The jump is all over the place: if you rapidly tap the jump button, Sonic almost don’t jump; if you hold a little and release, Sonic starts accelerating, but he breaks to the floor as soon as you release the jump button. If you hold the jump button all the way down, Sonic jumps like if he had touched a spring, he jumps so high and almost no gravity, it’s like you are jumping on the freaking moon. And I thought the jump in the Rush series were bad. This one is even worse. The jump is so bad that I prefer to keep running right to win really. Don’t let me get started on the spin dash. The spin dash don’t have enough power, no matter what. It behaves much like Knuckles’ Chaotix spin dash. Running rewards you with much more speed than spindashing.
My final remark of this game? It’s freaking Sonic Advance 2! It’s written Sonic Advance 2 all over the place. It is Sonic Advance 2 all over again. In fact, they could have named this game Sonic High Speed, and I wouldn’t mind it at all. But it is supposed to be Sonic fucking 4. To be honest, the name Sonic High Speed would fit this game better.
I am afraid to say that we are actually dealing with the very final product here, folks. Since the developers already sent the software for the Microsoft Evaluation Procces. Additionally, the game’s software was sent to ESRB game content analysis team. Considering the game is already been analyzed and rated by ESRB, the development team cannot overdo any significant change in the game, visually or otherwise, which therefore pretty much means that this is what the game looks like.
I didn’t say the game was bad. The game is fun (if you ignore the jumping, however, that I must say, it sucks badly), but not the fun I’d expect of a Sonic 4. It pretty much looks like SEGA has entrusted Dimps to develop the game, so SEGA goes to them and say: “Hey, we want you to make a sequel for the 2D Sonic games, you know, the forth installment.”, so one employee goes to the head director and gives the message “Hey boss, SEGA wants us to make Sonic Advance 4! Yay!”, and they all go to the development process. After the game is done, SEGA comes and says “What have you done?!?! It was supposed to be Sonic 4!!!!!!”, and Dimp says “What? It wasn’t suppose to be Sonic Advance 4? You came all the way here and said us to create a sequel to the 2D games, the forth installment!… Oh, not our 2D Sonic game… … “, and SEGA goes all like “Hurry up! Change the game’s name to Sonic 4, no one will notice the difference. It’s 2D Sonic game, right?”
It’s a joke, much like what Sonic 4 itself is.
Answering the question, apparently there are only 4 zones really. I’m really digging that Labyrinth stage, but it is still locked. Perhaps tomorrow I’ll have the opportunity to play a little more. Also, I don’t have any idea how to access the Special Stages in-game. I played it via level select, since it was already unlocked.
I will say if this turns out to be false, there will be consequences













He is going to reveal something tomorrow. More footage.
As I’ve said, I highly, highly doubt this. On sonic retro he said anyone with a certain type of xbox could play it (forgot type) and people with it said they can’t get it. Someone made a joke post saying that he also played it, and it had good content. Another poster mistook that for contest, and then the original poster said he won the chance to play it because of that contest. The other poster then informed him that the contest was a joke, pretty much proving everything he said to be false. Not to mention that he tells us NOTHING that we didn’t already know.
@ glem 3 Alpha Build?
Don’t forget I was the tipster for this story.
I always thought the jump from the video we saw earlier looked a little gravity-defying, but hell, if he’s not gonna provide proof, let’s keep it as a rumour.
Just some troll playing to the crowd just like that Wentos guy.
Remember that fake Sonic Xtreme ISO?
This is either going to fizzle out like a firework into a pool, or blow up in a huge blaze of insanity.
Either way, tomorrow will be crazy. Can’t wait.
@ Soul Gauge
I’m not sure. The people in Sonic Stadium is reacting to the news very negatively.
this could blow the fuse here if his words were legit
I looked at the ESRB website and it did say anything about game play. this is there criteria for rating games.
What are the criteria for rating video games?
ESRB raters are trained to consider a wide range of pertinent content and other elements in assigning a rating. Pertinent content is any content that accurately reflects both:
* the most extreme content of the final product – in terms of relevant rating criteria such as violence, language, sexuality, gambling, and alcohol, tobacco and drug reference or use; and
* the final product as a whole – demonstrating the game’s context (such as setting, storyline and objectives) and relative frequency of extreme content.
Due to the unique interactive characteristics of games, the ESRB rating system goes beyond other entertainment systems by also taking into account elements such as the reward system and the degree of player control.
It didnt’ say anything about fixing the gameplay controls.
Man, no offence, but I hope he does NOT release a copy of the game for everyone. Not only would it be stupid, but he’d probably find himself in prison for that. Being fired is the least of his worries right now.
(EDIT – Inflammatory…yes, that *was* awful. -T)
As a Sonic fan, my hopes is on the wire.
Well, that’s sit’s true urprising this is gotta be a joke, but if then sega and dimps really did a great with it but if this story is true about the rating company analyzing it and that is the final build, then this is a lazy job they did. Oh well, he might be telling a lie either way alot is going to go down tommorow and it may not be pretty.
I can’t wait to hear the tales of the many Rick Astley-induced shoutings tomorrow.
Kinda hoping for this to be some kind of hoax some random guy wanted to stir up the rumor pool. Besides, even if he does release the alpha build of the game, how many people are able to play it?
Not to mention Sega can now keep tabs on the people they fire and single out the guy responsible for releasing it to the internet early, compared to the early days of just a random guy stealing the beta copy of Sonic 2 and getting away with it in a convention with minimal security.
Since when has any 2D Sonic game not encouraged you to go right?
February turned out to be a hecktic month for Sonic 4
@ Umm
I agree. You usally go right. Especially the first level. I personally can beat emerald hill zone without letting go of the right button once.
Can I say that shit has hit the fan now?
I didnt know the ALPHA version os Sonic 4 was the final build, seriosuly im just gonna take what this guy said with a grain of salt.
You know SEGA is going to be watching this now like a hawk.
this game is going to be shit if it’s anything like sonic advance 2
I dunno…something just seems screwey about all this. Can’t think of what, though. It just seems too…early for this kind of thing to happen.
I’m gonna just go ahead and guess that this is fake. Either way, I feel that this guy will get into a load of trouble, if not any already…
Fix that ****ed up month for Sonic 4. I losing my hope on SEGA as of the old same routine.
Sega’s own employees are leaking things now. This is horrible, not just for Sega, but for the fans as well. With the company trying to get their bearings back from repeated reboots of the franchise, how the heck are they supposed to keep their cool if they can’t trust the very people involved in the development of the game?
Mark my words, a good Sonic game will never again be released if Sega’s OWN EMPLOYEES are pulling this kind of stuff.
People! I´ve to say three things:
First: You still don´t seem to know how long certification process in XBLA is. I repeat it again: Most of the times it´s 4 months at least. That means the game is pretty much sealed right know. There could be some minor tweaks, but they are all small fixes. Nothing more, because any change would mean another 4 months of certification process. So if this fan has played the game. IT IS THE FINAL GAME.
Second: Seriously, if you can´t believe him then look at the leaked video. Then tell me that it doesn´t look like Sonic Advance or Sonic Rush. Just look at the jumps, the speed pad right in the first zone (there wasn´t any on any first zone of any of the Mega Drive titles), the bad physics… Again, even if he lies, what you saw on the video is nearly what you will get with the game.
Third: This isn´t the first or the only time information has been leaked thanks to an special Xbox360. For God´s sake. Ikaruga was known two years before it was launched because that. Many people have already played games like Perfect Dark (that will be launched in a month) or Sonic Adventure (which isn´t even announced). So it´s pretty easy that´s the case. In fact, I´ve seen this situation so many times (someone leaks something, someone says he has played the game, people don´t believe him, everything is confirmed after that), that I still don´t believe how people don´t believe this kind of leaks.
Seriously, it´s a lot easier that he is telling the truth than making lies. Believe what you wanna believe, it´s a matter of time that this gets confirmed or not. For me it´s already nearly confirmed.
Rare confirmed they were still working on PD XBLA a week before it’s unveiling at X10.
You people that want this to be true are hilarious.
Leak of Sonic 4?
inb4 Sega threatens legal action. =P
It can’t be the final product! This game is going to be in summer! SEGA is still developing it!
Well, the retrofags were right all along. SEGA really doesn’t have a fucking clue anymore.
Well, guess it’s time to create yet another Sonic AU…
Cripes… I really hope the physics aren’t that bad…
Not that I played it, but geez, is Sonic Advance 2 really all that bad?
@Soul Gauge: Honestly, the Sonic fandom have a different definition of ‘bad’ than general gamers, so it’s best if you play it yourself.
I ask because while I understand that Sonic 4 should be a sequel to Sonic 1 – 3&K games in both spirit and gameplay (like imitating the feel of going fast without really going fast), what I don’t understand is how the Sonic Advance/Rush gameplay (minus the boost if you’re picky) being used is that much of a disappointment if there are people going on about those games being really good (not to mention the nearly identical formula).
Granted, if it’s going to be exactly Advance 2′s level design pixel by pixel then okay, that’s just laziness on Sega’s part, but if that’s not the case with the final product (which I hope it won’t) then you can’t just spend the past decade ranting on how great the 2D handhelds are in comparison to the 3D games, then get a new 2D game and then blasting it for being like those other 2D games you like so much.
There might be something that I said that someone won’t agree with (I’m guessing the whole 2D classics/AdvanceRush comparison, but it’s tiring to see the fanbase being so damn inconsistent.
I hope this is FAKE.. and it think its fake.
Advance 2 isn’t bad at all, in fact it’s a lot of fun. It’s just that it’s gameplay doesn’t fit the platforming and exploration and level gimmicks that gave the Genesis games that extra layer that made them better than what Advance 2 & 3 / Rush & SRA / Rivals / Unleashed had to offer. Hey, at least you gain momentum and have ball physics this time around.
But I think I’ll still enjoy the game, although probably at a much lesser extent than if it really had level design that lived up to it’s title as “Sonic 4″. It’ll be much fun I’m sure, but not like the fun I’ve had with S3K and Sonic CD.
He says all about you look in leaked video
In website Sonic Retro trunks look fake,problably endri says “your opinion” about sonic 4 based in leaked video.
Problably fake.
It could be true that he played an alpha build. And it could be true that the game is practically finished, and can’t be changed anymore. This does not neccasarily mean that the alpha is the final version, does it?
Seriously, why can’t we ever play games before judging them?
It first I was like : D
But then I serious’d : |
ITT: We believe everything anyone says on the internet.
It just had to happen there is a reason why I was still skeptical about Sonic 4, SEGA screwing up in the security.
@Knuckles Metalmind
Shadow Complex was shown at E3 2009, mostly complete but with some major bugs present. It released two months later after it was finished.
In other words, getting certified and being finished are very different things. Changes can be made even after certification has begun.
Is he TRYING to get in trouble with Sega?
Sonic fandome is really problem,starting with discution in 2007/2008
But now,in 2010 fans record video without permition,adms of important sonic websties trooling,ohhh my god
I see 2011,Jails for sonic fandomes.
Well…I just don’t know what to say here. But if this is true, then I hope SEGA fix the jump and if this isn’t true…well then it isn’t true.
Some people say that he is really telling the truth no doubt about it and some says the opposite. But I’m not going to belive him until I play the game for myself and see that the jump sucks and so on.
So I’m just going to buy the game anyway even if this guy says the jump is all bad and so on. We all have different taste some people will like this game when it comes out(Even if the jump sucks) and some wont like it.
I never listen to other people about Sonic nowadays, I buy the game and if i sucks…then I wasted money at something that sucks, if it’s good then good I bought something good.
So I’m just stain’ calm without freaking out about this thing this guy wrote about this game.
Well, have a nice day!
Whether he’s telling the truth or not, just because “certification” has started absolutely does NOT mean its the final build. It just means that they’ve sent some stuff to Microsoft. But seriously, the game looks great except for a few wonky physics, which can easily be fixed in a few months. That wouldn’t affect certification at all. Jeez….
My conclusions:
I believe that he is telling the truth,and that her really did play a version of the game. However, his descriptions….they just don’t seem to make any sense–how could sega mess it up THAT bad, like with the jump or spindash.
So though I believe him, I also believe that the version he played was NOT the final version; it just seems too careless otherwise. Maybe it was just an alpha or whatever from a while ago. Maybe it’s the game’s current condition, but they’re still gonna work on it, even though apparently it’s gone in for ratings and whatnot.
I mean, the leaked release date was July, right? If that’s true, then that means it comes after E3; now I don’t know if Sega would exhibit a down-loadable game, but seeing as how its sonic, they might. So why would they do that if the game had such blaring issues?
Things just aren’t adding up, and it’s bugging the crap outta me…
Maybe I should just ignore news like this until the game is FINALLY released.
no matter what, for me it’ll still rock my socks XP
I like every single sonic game. even when the rest of the world hates it.
the only thing that counts is your own opinion of the game
I loved Sonic next-gen. I loved Black kinght too and the Riders series. every single one of them.
and I thought Sonic 2 played great. It’s just hard some times XP