Penders Claims No Royalties Paid for Reprints
There has been a whirlwind of reaction from the community and beyond since Wednesday’s announcement by Ken Penders of holding copyright certificates to several characters and more from the ongoing Archie series.
Current Archie writer Ian Flynn remains staunch on not allowing discussion on the matter at the Bumbleking Comics forum. Still, he released a lengthy statement on Thursday in which he revealed his work-for-hire status at Archie, speculates that Penders signed away his characters when he was employed by the company, and has been assured by Archie legal counsel to continue the series as normal.
Flynn also addressed concerns of a series reboot, speculating that, if anything, Penders would have to revamp:
The Short Version
The Archie legal department is handling things. I’ve been told to keep writing as usual and to continue with our plans for the end of 2010/start of 2011. As I said before: no worries.
The Longer Version
Bear in mind that I don’t have all the information. All I’m going off of is my limited understanding of the ownership of things within the book and franchise. So unless Mr. Penders pulls a rabbit out of his hat, I feel fairly confident in my understanding of things.
1) Work-for-Hire – While I’m bound by my contract to not talk about my contract, I can say I’m work-for-hire. I’ve been on the book for five years (!!!) and I’m still freelance, part-time, on-the-side. All of my contributions to the book are for the book, and I’m paid for that.
All the stuff I came up with for “Young Salem” – Foreman Armstrong, Mortimer Destiny, the Lizarmyn, Horde Lord, concept, etc. – is Archie’s. I can’t do my own book under BKC about Mortimer and Felicia’s younger days.
Sonic-wise, I have a harder parallel to draw since I’ve spent more time using the content within the book and taking it in new directions. I suppose Thrash is the best example, lean as he is character-wise. He’s Archie’s. Plain and simple.
Everyone on staff (and I include us freelancers when I say this) has to sign that contract. So unless Mr. Penders’s contract was wildly different, he signed away those characters before he even created them.
2) SEGA – It is my understanding, as explained by Mr. Penders himself years ago on his forum – that ultimately SEGA owns everything in the book. If it’s associated with Sonic in the book, it is by extension SEGA’s. From my understanding, that is why BioWare could so freely emulate the Dark Legion for the Marauders.
I know there was some confusion elsewhere concerning rights to SatAM. As it was explained, SEGA owns the intellectual property – the characters and such – but DiC retains the rights to the animation. So you wouldn’t see SEGA reselling SatAM boxsets willy-nilly. Conversely, DiC wouldn’t be able to just up and make a new Sonic cartoon.
3) Reboot – Oh if I had a nickle for every time this word got tossed around. I’ve already begun material for 2011 and, as I said before, have been told there’s no need to change. Not that we’re blindly forging ahead, but that we have no reason to stop.
What would need a reboot, in the scenario that Mr. Penders somehow did win out in all this, is his plans. SEGA would not grant him the license to use Knuckles, I can flat-out tell you that with certainty. So right there the core component of the Echidna Lore – the main character – is gone.
He would not be able to use Angel Island, Mobius, or the Chaos Emeralds. Easy enough fix, though, right? It’s Skyhigh Island on Terra using the Magi-Gems for flight. (copyright, by the way. Double-tappsies, no take-backs).
But the entire Echidna cast is comprised of Knuckles knock-offs. Mr. Penders would be required to redesign the entire cast, unless he’s planning on trying to pass it off as parody (which I doubt).
By the time the property would be safe to touch, it would be unrecognizable. It’s not about Knuckles’s society or family. It’s not about echidnas (the kind we think of, at least). It would now be a sci-fi-lite story about some dudes on a flying island. That could be interesting in its own right, but it’s not the story I think Mr. Penders wants to tell, and it’s not the one the echidna fans want to read. So I’m not entirely sure what his greater thinking is here.
Again, take my words with a grain of salt. I’m not privy to absolutely everything going on. But from what I do know I am confident I – and you all – have nothing to worry about.
So relax, curl up with the latest SONIC book, and enjoy it while ignoring the storm outside. This too shall pass.
Meanwhile, Penders has actively addressed questions and concerns via his forum, deflecting both waves of criticism and support. This morning, he let a potentially major allegation out of the bag, accusing Archie of not paying its past contributors royalties–even as that work continues to be republished in the form of Sonic Archives and other items:
One thing that people should consider when discussing this matter is that unlike Marvel and DC Comics, Archie Comics has never believed in paying the creators at any time for reprints of their work. Neither Michael Gallagher nor Scott Shaw! were paid a dime when their initial 4-issue Sonic mini-series was collected into a trade paperback edition, nor has ANY creator been paid for any of their work currently being printed in the SONIC ARCHIVES series.
Meanwhile, Marvel and DC pay their creators royalties every time their work sees publication anywhere, even if it is used on licensed properties. I know this because I have several friends in the industry who receive regular royalty checks, unlike the creators who work for Archie. Indeed, many of the older artists could use the extra bucks the company generates from the Archie Digest reprints, but the company doesn’t see fit to work things out with them. Why else do you think Dan DeCarlo of all people got fed up and decided to take Archie to court after working 40 years for them?
Fans are essentially subsidizing Archie screwing the creators by taking the attitude that Archie deserves everything when there is more than enough to go around and treat everyone fairly. By everyone, I mean everyone. That includes Mike K, Karl, Dave, Art, Spaz, Fry, Steve, Dawn and everyone else, including Ian. My actions have always been more than just about me. If I win, everyone who ever worked on the book will win. I would think Sonic fandom could support that stand.
The discussion since has morphed less around the copyright concerns and more about royalties Archie allegedly doesn’t offer its staff for the comic. How this may factor into any litigation remains to be seen. And what exactly was submitted to the U.S. Copyright Office anyway? It’s public record, and Monday morning on TSSZ News, we will go in-depth as to what Penders did and did not seek protection for across more than 130 certificates.















i dont get it
I don’t get this either,this is all too confusing.
phillip: it’s pretty confusing stuff (most legal material is), so don’t worry if you don’t get it at first. let me translate from legalese back into basic english: he feels that since his friends at marvel and DC get royalties when their works are re-issued or re-printed, he and the people at archie should get the same, and he’s trying to use the characters he signed-away as a legal precedent. he has no real case, anyway.
I don`t understand this at all & I`m pretty smart…
Who’s that pokemon?
It’s . . . Penderpass!!
But seriously, if it’s royalties he’s after, he’s going at it the wrong way.
Well, I think so.
I think I got everything that both sides said down.
I never read the comics anymore (got too crazy, even for Sonic), but it seems to me that Penders is just chucking a spaz… no pun intended. Archie are hardly going to let him just strip away half the series, so for you equally crazy fans of the series, heed Flynns words and just chillax with those latest crazy stories ^.^
He needs some cheese….to go with his WINE!
*Eyeroll*
@Viking ZX: That was as corny as some of my gags.
Anyway, Penders’ll never win. He’s going up against two million-dollar businesses over what is essentially the biggest case of “ORIGINAL CHARACTER DO NOT STEAL” ever attempted.
Flynn makes an elaborate point across all spectrums of the issue
… Though Penders makes a point, too. Though not enough for such a lawsuit!
Hey, this reminds me, what ever came of the suit between Bentley and Sega. I just sorta zoned out and forgot about it.
^ As for the suit, it very well may have been either a.) settled, and we just didn’t hear anything about it, or b.) it was a hoax brought up by someone who hacked Bentley Jones’ forum. Honestly, I’m almost leaning towards the latter, though the former is possible.
As far as this goes… Penders has no case at all. As Flynn has stated, all writers are work-for-hire and had to SIGN A CONTRACT with Archie. Anything done on the comics belongs to Archie, period. Just because DC and Marvel may pay royalties doesn’t mean Archie is obliged to that same policy, and if Penders didn’t like it then he shouldn’t have worked with Archie before.
Then there’s the characters… they’re all owned by Sega, anyway, so he DEFINITELY doesn’t have ANY case there, whatsoever, period. The only place he can potentially post these writings are to Fanfiction.net (and even then, I think posting fanfics based on Archie Comics are off-limits, as I recall…).
“My actions have always been more than just about me. If I win, everyone who ever worked on the book will win.”
Um… example?
“I would think Sonic fandom could support that stand.”
Messiah complex much? Or devil’s advocate? …Is this Ken Penders talking, or the dude who tried to pull the official SatAM-based movie stunt a few years back and lived to regret it (as well as anything else controversial that he ever did in his life, whether or not he actually DID do it)? Sounds like they’re speaking the same language.
Makes me wonder how far the developers of the NEXT big Sonic spin-off project, official or otherwise, will push the envelope…
Man, why does Sonic the Hedgehog attract all the kooks (myself included)?
If he can get Archie to pay royalties for prior stories, that is undoubtedly a good, either for him or for the whole. Even if he only sued for his own royalties, I think that’s within his rights, though I bet a close examination of his contract would reveal that he doesn’t get any royalties and that’s all there is to that.
It’s too bad that positive idea is so easily overlooked when his raving about his ownership of the characters and concepts, and his plans for his own graphic novel is so much more eye catching.
Really though, I could go for a Mouse Guard-inspired Echidna story, but as Ian said, that probably isn’t what Penders has in mind.
I agree with Ian, it’ll probabily just blow over, and if it gets real bad, Archie can just start paying royalties, and he’ll probabily just shut up.
phillip: it’s pretty confusing stuff (most legal material is), so don’t worry if you don’t get it at first. let me translate from legalese back into basic english: he feels that since his friends at marvel and DC get royalties when their works are re-issued or re-printed, he and the people at archie should get the same, and he’s trying to use the characters he signed-away as a legal precedent. he has no real case, anyway.
speedinghedgehog: archie is in NO financial state to pay out royalties or take someone to court unless it’s absolutely necessary… and i doubt he’d shut up if paid royalties (he’d just shout “hey! i won! you fags all suck!”, unless there was a gag order tied in to the royalties :D)…