Damizean’s 2.5D Engine Should Get Big Boost
There may be hope to see something close to last week’s Mushroom Hill recreation in playable form after all.
Joining up with Sonic Retro, Robert Medina, the creator of the video, said Sunday he will donate the Sonic model used in the visual masterpiece to Damizean, with the intent of using it for his new 2.5D creation, the Egg Engine.
“I’ve been chatting a bit to Damizean, and I’ll most likely be donating my Sonic model/animation to his cause, but that’s probably about where my involvement will end,” Medina said. “His engine is very promising, and I can’t wait to see where it leads.”
For those unaware, the Egg Engine saw its first video release last week. Still in the early stages, it most closely aligns itself with Sonic Unleashed in style, with physics similar to the original classics. Particle effects are included, as are the core of Sonic’s moves–jumping, braking, and the spin dash. That video is available for your review below.
This particular development is exciting, especially for those who long to see Medina’s Mushroom Hill in a playable form. Though he may just be donating the model, it offers the groundwork for Egg Engine development to continue at full speed. We’ll let you know of any further developments on this front.
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Why do so many fan game developpers make Sonic spin so damn slowly? It looks so wrong… It feels like he’s just jumping and rotating slowly a couple of times with no force or power of any kind in his spin.
I do hope the Mushroom Hill guy will donate the model (and animations) because it looks a hell of a lot better than this (though still not perfect, the spikes are too long and too thin) and when he jumps you can feel the force of his spin, which is how it should be.
PS. In the above video it’s really weird how Sonic just sticks to the ceiling and keeps going up from 0:22 to 0:29. Still the video is a decent effort overall though, let’s hope something good comes from this, because nothing good is certainly gonna come from Sega themselves.
Hm? What’s that? Oh, just us fans COMPLETELY OWNING SONIC TEAM again.
That’s nice.
In my opinion i like this more than sonic colors or sonic 4.
The only problem I see about this is that Damizean makes engines, but without a proper development team an engine is just a tool to be used to make a game. There are already many great engines out there, but not many of them gets a cool fangame. So even having a perfect engine and a great Sonic model, you know, you still need people to do all the graphics, level design, enemy and boss programming, etc…
Last Damizean engine is awesome too, but I still don´t see any awesome fangame using it correctly. In fact, even having a great team would take something like a year or two to see a great playable level. So don´t make your hopes up yet.
No,this is not better than sonic 4,and can’t compare engine with level concept.
I’m sorry
Sonic 4 and recreate classic is complete different.
Sonic 4 have old felling,but new gimmicks & storyline
This is an awesome engine video,imagine create 2,5D with this,very good.
Conclusion:
Sonic 4 is awesome,and the engine will be awesome too.
“No this isn’t better because I say so!”
So, cute!
@Lucas Hinz
Ken Balough is that you?
@Dr.Eggfang
haha XD
Btw,this is my opinion only.
To me, this engine has a mixture of LittleBigPlanet, SSBB, and, of course, Sonic.
Sonic 4 have old felling
No, it has a feeling of being cheaply made, ugly, polluted by stupid mechanics and gimmicks, and without a hint of nostalgia in the whole thing.
“No, it has a feeling of being cheaply made,”
-No shit its a downloadable game
“ugly,”
-Bright and colorful
“polluted by stupid mechanics”
-Well it IS unfinished, so complaning about unfinshed mechanics is like complaining about an unfinished bridge and say “how the hell am I going to cross that?”
“and gimmicks,”
-What a terrible argument, all games have gimmicks thats waht makes them games.
“and without a hint of nostalgia in the whole thing.”
-Except the whole thing, beacuse thats the point
Honestly you jusst cant stand to see any positive about this game and colors, like I said go vent somewhere else.
People need to stop arguing about Sonic 4. Why don’t you look at the facts? Sega actually listened to fans and made a sequel to the old Sonic games we loved. And while no, it’s not what we thought it would be, it’s new 2D Sonic! Yes there’s gimmicks, yes it’s not EXACTLY genesis, but SEGA is making an attempt, and that’s a good start!
“No, it has a feeling of being cheaply made,”
-No shit its a downloadable game
Crappy excuse.
If that’s the real reason, then obviously the fact is that it shouldn’t have been downloadable.
But in fact, the true reason is that it’s being made by talentless and clueless developpers who have no understanding of what Sonic is actually about, and what made the Genesis games good in the first place.
-Bright and colorful
Yet badly drawn and hideous.
-Well it IS unfinished
That has nothing to do with what I said, and neither does your whole stupid bridge analogy.
“and gimmicks,”
-What a terrible argument, all games have gimmicks thats waht makes them games.
Not stupid inappropriate ones like a crappy move that ruins the gameplay by automating it and aiming for you and letting you boost with free momentum, or stupid speed boosters that don’t belong.
“and without a hint of nostalgia in the whole thing.”
-Except the whole thing, beacuse thats the point
Except it doesn’t have any at all, so Sega missed the point as usual because they’re untalented hacks.
People need to stop arguing about Sonic 4.
That won’t happen until fanboys remove their blinders and see the game for the crapfest that it is.
Why don’t you look at the facts?
Why don’t you try doing that.
Sega actually listened to fans and made a sequel to the old Sonic games we loved.
No, they didn’t, they only called it that to fool a bunch of people into thinking that’s what it is, and sadly, it worked.
And while no, it’s not what we thought it would be, it’s new 2D Sonic!
That has nothing to do with anything at all. Being 2D is neither a good nor a bad thing, it’s completely irrelevant to the game being good or bad, or even to the classicness of it.
Yes there’s gimmicks, yes it’s not EXACTLY genesis, but SEGA is making an attempt, and that’s a good start!
What a dumb statement.
Sega has been making clueless, crummy attempts for the last 10 years now, this is no different, the only difference is that they fooled a bunch of fanboys into thinking it was “classicks!!1″ because of how it’s 2D and cheaply and uninterestingly rehashes old stages.
“If that’s the real reason, then obviously the fact is that it shouldn’t have been downloadable.
But in fact, the true reason is that it’s being made by talentless and clueless developpers who have no understanding of what Sonic is actually about, and what made the Genesis games good in the first place.”
-Thats exactly why they elayed the game in the fucking first place, to better understand how the geneisis games played and improveing their physics. But as I see you obviously miss that point.
“Yet badly drawn and hideous.”
-And you obviosuly never saw the updated Lost Labyrinth.
“Not stupid inappropriate ones like a crappy move that ruins the gameplay by automating it and aiming for you and letting you boost with free momentum, or stupid speed boosters that don’t belong.”
-It hardly ruins the game, you can use it if you dont want to, plus if you DO use it your left vunerable for a few seconds so while it is easier to use the homming attack your left in a punishable place after you use it, it uses a risk-reward system.
“Except it doesn’t have any at all, so Sega missed the point as usual because they’re untalented hacks”
-No, your just butthurt beacuse it dosent have your precious classic Sonic, if he was in here you would be forgiving the game of all its faults being much more linient, and not having to go on a bitchfit everytime news of this game arises.
“That won’t happen until fanboys remove their blinders and see the game for the crapfest that it is.”
-Or when the elitist will stop thinking their word is law and just go the hell away if they hate the game so damn much and let those who actually WANT to enjoy the game, enjoy the damn game.”
“Why don’t you try doing that.”
-Why dont you stop pretending their are facts
“No, they didn’t, they only called it that to fool a bunch of people into thinking that’s what it is, and sadly, it worked.”
-Yeah people getting excited for a Sonic game meant to appeal to them. Perish the thought
“Sega has been making clueless, crummy attempts for the last 10 years now,”
-Yet your still here bitching.
“his is no different, the only difference is that they fooled a bunch of fanboys into thinking it was “classicks!!1″
-If you enjoy this game your fanboy!! Im obviously right!!. Grow the hell up.
“because of how it’s 2D and cheaply and uninterestingly rehashes old stages.”
-Meant to envoke nostagla which you is reelevenat beacuse you would galdly jump all all over this game if it had fat Sonic.
If you hate this game so damn much, then just leave it and stop wasting time bitching
-Thats exactly why they elayed the game in the fucking first place, to better understand how the geneisis games played and improveing their physics. But as I see you obviously miss that point.
Too bad there’s a whole laundry list of things they won’t fix. The problem isn’t one fixed by a longer development time, it’s one that is caused by terrible ideas and stupid decisions.
Raw turd won’t taste any better if you cook it, no matter how long you leave it in the oven.
-And you obviosuly never saw the updated Lost Labyrinth.
The level art is good, too bad it’s all rehashed Genesis levels. Also too bad the ugly inappropriate characters and ugly animations ruin the mood.
-It hardly ruins the game
It very much ruins the game
you can use it if you dont want to
lol that old terrible excuse again.
The whole game is designed to encourage you use it. It’s an overly convenient move that’s easy to use, so of course I’m gonna use it. It’s stupid and illogical to then act as if it was my fault that it ruins the game. Sega put it in there, I didn’t. “You don’t have to use it” is a retarded excuse, we’re talking about a move that’s at the forefront of the gameplay. Never mind that Sonic stupidly uncurls while airborne so you have to use it for protection then.
And then there’s also those ugly inappropriate and distracting cross-hairs which I’m sure you fanboys will act as if they were of no consequence to anything (as you do with all the flaws in the game).
while it is easier to use the homming attack your left in a punishable place after you use it
Lol and yet you can destroy chains of enemies by spamming it
-No, your just butthurt beacuse it dosent have your precious classic Sonic, if he was in here you would be forgiving the game of all its faults being much more linient,
No, that would only be one rectified flaw, it’d still be a crappy cheap rehashed lazy cash-in, but at least the atmosphere wouldn’t be ruined and it would have some semblance of nostalgia.
Or when the elitist will stop thinking their word is law
Nobody’s acting like that, stop making stuff up, and “elitist” is just a word you throw around when all you’ve got is a bunch of impotent arguments that have no relevance to anything.
and just go the hell away if they hate the game so damn much and let those who actually WANT to enjoy the game, enjoy the damn game.
Nobody’s preventing you from enjoying the game, I’m just pointing out why you have poor taste, that doesn’t take away your ability or right to play it, stop making silly statements that make no sense.
Why dont you stop pretending their are facts
Because I’m not
-Yeah people getting excited for a Sonic game meant to appeal to them. Perish the thought
Shallow gullible people are excited for a crappy looking game which PR people are trying to pass off as nostalgic even though it’s nothing of the sort, and intelligent, alert people are pointing it out. Perish the thought.
“Sega has been making clueless, crummy attempts for the last 10 years now,”
-Yet your still here bitching.
Like everyone who’s actually a good fan and wants a good Sonic game to be made one day.
-If you enjoy this game your fanboy!! Im obviously right!!. Grow the hell up.
“Let’s remove his sentence from the context of the text and pretend like he hasn’t given valid reasons for calling me a fanboy! Hope he won’t notice!” Grow the hell up.
“because of how it’s 2D and cheaply and uninterestingly rehashes old stages.”
-Meant to envoke nostagla which you is reelevenat beacuse you would galdly jump all all over this game if it had fat Sonic.
Tracing over old stages doesn’t evoke nostalgia. Atmosphere does that, not cheap rehashing. Also there was never a fat Sonic, if you think Sonic was ever fat, you must be one of those anorexic 12 years old girls, then again that would certainly explain the lameness of your arguments.
If you hate this game so damn much, then just leave it and stop wasting time bitching
Because I like setting a good example by doing what’s right, which is what would cause good Sonic games to get made if everybody was doing it instead of being whiny little girls whenever someone brings up a valid complaint.
Voiceofreason, I doubt even you can explain what made the classic games so great. =/
“Too bad there’s a whole laundry list of things they won’t fix.”
-Glad you can tell the future
“The problem isn’t one fixed by a longer development time,”
-Yes it is, thats why games are delayed, to fix the fucking problems
“it’s one that is caused by terrible ideas and stupid decisions.”
-Ie: They added new Sonic, they done fucked up.
“The level art is good, too bad it’s all rehashed Genesis levels. Also too bad the ugly inappropriate characters and ugly animations ruin the mood”
-Liek I said even if the game was perfect you would still be put off by Sonics new design.
“It very much ruins the game”
-Despite all the nerfeing,improvements. You just hate it based on pure premise.
.”The whole game is designed to encourage you use it.”
-The only time the game actually encourages you is during homming attack chains.
“It’s an overly convenient move that’s easy to use, so of course I’m gonna use it.”
-Its been stated several times that in no way takes way from the game if you dont use it, dont blame Sega for your lack of self-control.
“It’s stupid and illogical to then act as if it was my fault that it ruins the game.”
-Even when it is?
“Sega put it in there, I didn’t. “You don’t have to use it” is a retarded excuse, we’re talking about a move that’s at the forefront of the gameplay. Never mind that Sonic stupidly uncurls while airborne so you have to use it for protection then.”
-You dont have to use it for protection, thats only to rack up points
“And then there’s also those ugly inappropriate and distracting cross-hairs which I’m sure you fanboys will act as if they were of no consequence to anything (as you do with all the flaws in the game).”
-Are you seriosuly getting on people’s cases beacuse they dont complain about nonsensical shit like fucking crosshairs?
“No, that would only be one rectified flaw, it’d still be a crappy cheap rehashed lazy cash-in, but at least the atmosphere wouldn’t be ruined and it would have some semblance of nostalgia.”
-Like I said, more forgiving.
“Nobody’s acting like that, stop making stuff up, and “elitist” is just a word you throw around when all you’ve got is a bunch of impotent arguments that have no relevance to anything.”
-except you are, telling people that their blind, thinking what you say is truth.
“Nobody’s preventing you from enjoying the game, I’m just pointing out why you have poor taste,”
-What where you saying about not being an elitist again?
“that doesn’t take away your ability or right to play it, stop making silly statements that make no sense.”
-Now your just being unessecarly technical
“Because I’m not”
-Oh so you deluded enough to think their facts, gotcha.
“Shallow gullible people are excited for a crappy looking game”
-What were you saying about not being elitist again?
“which PR people are trying to pass off as nostalgic even though it’s nothing of the sort,”
-Its called marketing genius
“and intelligent, alert people are pointing it out. Perish the thought.”
-Only people who hate the game are the smart ones I guess.
“Like everyone who’s actually a good fan and wants a good Sonic game to be made one day.”
-Or a Sonic game that caters to your specific needs and no one elses.
Like Sonic Colors, people have been asking for gameplay like that since UNleashed, thats what their getting, and its receving a positive reception beacuse of it.
And I guess a good fan hates the games,company that makes them, and even the damn main character. Yeah, no.
“Let’s remove his sentence from the context of the text and pretend like he hasn’t given valid reasons for calling me a fanboy! Hope he won’t notice!”
-You gave valid reasons by making up superfical reasons to why someone would enjoy the game, not beacuse they may genuiley like game
” Also there was never a fat Sonic, if you think Sonic was ever fat, you must be one of those anorexic 12 years old girls, then again that would certainly explain the lameness of your arguments.”
Actually im not, stop using ad homenims. And fat,chubby,pudgy, whatever you call it, hes not exactly fit.
“Because I like setting a good example by doing what’s right, which is what would cause good Sonic games to get made if everybody was doing it ”
-its been apparently ten years since you thought the last decent Sonic game was made, its beacuse SEGA hasnt made a game that will have classic sonic, tails, knuckles, and Robotnik (the original name is dumb apparently). You can continue to to hate the games till SEGA makes your little fantasy while everyone else enjoys the games.
“instead of being whiny little girls whenever someone brings up a valid complaint.”
-The argument can be terrible as long as it follows the “this game sucks!! sonic sucks!! baww!!” theme
Well
I played Sonic 4 alpha build
This is AWESOME.I have AWESOME felling about this and touch classic felling.
The graphics is better than I felling in New Super Mario Wii
The physics is very good,not PERFECT,but very good in build alpha.
All acts on Splash have different and good gimmicks.
And more fun than new super mario wii for me.
This is sonic fanbase.
Don’t have solid arguments and need back in time.
Hater fanbase discuss.
We play and fun =)
About the moviments,just WIN
Sonic 1 – normal
Sonic 2 – normal + spindash
Sonic 3 – normal + spindash + doubleAirAttack
Sonic 4 – normal + spindash + homming attack
Now
I wait full game episodes and buy episode 1 to see the storyboard =)
Glad you can tell the future
It’s called pattern recognition for the obvious
Yes it is, thats why games are delayed, to fix the fucking problems
No it doesn’t because many problems aren’t even being recognized much less addressed.
-Ie: They added new Sonic, they done fucked up.
Pertaining to the atmosphere, yes, though that’s only the tip of the iceberg
-Liek I said even if the game was perfect you would still be put off by Sonics new design.
If there’s a flaw in it obviously it’s not perfect, especially when it’s a massive flaw that completely ruins the atmosphere, exposes the developpers’ gross stupidity, and would have been so easy to avoid.
Despite all the nerfeing,improvements. You just hate it based on pure premise.
Which is justified because it’s unnecessary and the premise is stupid.
Let’s put smarties on a turd and see if that makes it taste good
-The only time the game actually encourages you is during homming attack chains.
And every time there’s something homing attackable and that stupid cross hair comes up, and whenever you become airborne after a slope, which is a lot
Its been stated several times that in no way takes way from the game if you dont use it, dont blame Sega for your lack of self-control.
Stated by illogical PR morons and you believe that? LOL.
Having to train myself not to press the attack button twice so as not to perform a very convenient move, that’s a flaw of the game. I blame Sega for putting stupid moves in their games that make the gameplay shallow, it’s part of the game so I judge it as such, “you don’t have to use it” is a terrible argument when we’re talking about a move that’s so easy and convenient.
Are you seriosuly getting on people’s cases beacuse they dont complain about nonsensical shit like fucking crosshairs?
Thanks for proving my point
Like I said, more forgiving.
Well obviously since a massive flaw would be gone I’d hate the game less, stop making pointless obvious statements
except you are, telling people that their blind, thinking what you say is truth.
Because that’s true, and it has nothing to do with “word being law” (a meaningless statement) or taking away people’s enjoyment of the game, or controlling them in any form.
What where you saying about not being an elitist again?
The truth is what I was saying
Its called marketing genius
AKA lying or making false dishonest statements as opposed to actually making a game that reflect those statements.
Only people who hate the game are the smart ones I guess.
In this case yes, since it looks terrible
Or a Sonic game that caters to your specific needs and no one elses.
The needs and wants of anybody who actually understands what makes a Sonic game good
Like Sonic Colors, people have been asking for gameplay like that since UNleashed, thats what their getting,
Only morons asked for that, Unleashed gameplay was terribly automated, linear and boring, and Colors is more of the same, so it’s gonna suck, too. Too bad, the level art is actually pretty nice (unlike the characters)
and its receving a positive reception beacuse of it.
From fools who don’t understand what constitutes a good Sonic game, or a good game in general actually.
And I guess a good fan hates the games,company that makes them, and even the damn main character. Yeah, no.
I guess according to you, fans should just accept being sh*t upon and asking for more, instead of actually raising their voices when everything has gone wrong with their beloved series.
Yeah, no.
You gave valid reasons by making up superfical reasons to why someone would enjoy the game, not beacuse they may genuiley like game
No, I gave valid reasons by pointing out true flaws in the game.
Actually im not, stop using ad homenims
I bet you are actually. That would explain a lot more than your lack of character design taste.
And fat,chubby,pudgy, whatever you call it, hes not exactly fit.
He is, you just don’t understand hedgehog physiology, also you have terrible artistic taste.
-its been apparently ten years since you thought the last decent Sonic game was made, its beacuse SEGA hasnt made a game that will have classic sonic, tails, knuckles, and Robotnik (the original name is dumb apparently). You can continue to to hate the games till SEGA makes your little fantasy while everyone else enjoys the games.
I’ll continue to hate them and demand a good one until they make it, yes. If you’d rather be a little b*tch and lick Sega PRs’ asses until they’re shiny like a mirror, be my guest, but that won’t stop me from doing what’s right.
The argument can be terrible as long as it follows the “this game sucks!! sonic sucks!! baww!!” theme
More like “Sawknick’s perfect! Your wrong! it has no flaws at all and NEVER HAD! BAAAWWW”
Lucas Hinz you just have terrible tastes, terrible skills for logical thinking, and your English is terrible too..
Sonic 1 – normal
Sonic 2 – normal + spindash
Sonic 3 – normal + spindash + doubleAirAttack
Sonic 4 – normal + spindash + homming attack
So what’s your point? Are you saying that the HA is ok because every game had a new move?
Because nobody’s hating it because “it’s new”, people are hating it because it goes against what constitutes the core of the gameplay of a good Sonic game.
It’s not just that it aims for you and takes away the pleasure of aiming your attack yourself.
It’s also that when you perform it, Sonic attacks at a set speed, meaning that from the moment you do it, any of the previous momentum you had doesn’t matter anymore, since the attack always gets performed at the same speed and in a set direction. It interrupts the flow of movement, so to speak.
It doesn’t stop there though. After attacking, in the Genesis games, the speed at which you bounce and fly off after attacking directly depends on the angle and the strength from which you came, like a superball.
With the homing attack, you lose the “strength” factor since it’s always at the same strength. You know when people complain that Sonic games are too “automated”? This is just one of the aspects that contribute to that.
The Genesis games were about flow and the inter-connectedness of movement. This is why the homing attack is bad, because it works directly against an essential core aspect of the Sonic series. Don’t believe the idiots who think we just hate it “because it’s new”, they’re being morons and are missing the point as usual.
Another flaw is that you can abuse the Homing Attack to gain free speed automatically without sacrificing anything. While running, just jump and double tap, and voila. The genius of the Spin Dash was that it didn’t give you too much; and that to use it you had to stop and sacrifice all your speed just for that short burst. Now, you don’t anymore. (note that the SA1 spin dash was terrible because you can just spam the X button to do it infinitely while running).
“The Genesis games were about flow and the inter-connectedness of movement. This is why the homing attack is bad, because it works directly against an essential core aspect of the Sonic series. Don’t believe the idiots who think we just hate it “because it’s new”, they’re being morons and are missing the point as usual.”
In recent videos on Gamescon 2010 and news,the homming attack abusive,don’t work,the player lose the control.
But,in one point I agree with you
Sega need fix physics 360º and directions masks.
Actually it does.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b0X5tHGJQw
Right at the beginning he does it to obtain automatic top speed, and then tons of times to just propel himself forward even when there are no enemies. It removes TONS of control from the player, by letting you take the easy way out of actually controlling Sonic. It’s a move that makes you lazy, and “you don’t have to use it” isn’t an excuse because it’s such an easy and convenient move to use that you’d have to train yourself not to. Which needless to say, means it’s a flaw.
Plus it’s not even new, it’s been a trademark of the crappy Sonic games for over 10 years, they just brought it over as an extra flaw in Sonic 4.
‘It’s called pattern recognition for the obvious”
-Sorry that people actually expect something decent.
“No it doesn’t because many problems aren’t even being recognized much less addressed.”
-one step at a time obviously
“If there’s a flaw in it obviously it’s not perfect, especially when it’s a massive flaw that completely ruins the atmosphere, exposes the developpers’ gross stupidity, and would have been so easy to avoid.”
-Avoided? They just used a character model that theyve been using for years. Not suprising really
“Which is justified because it’s unnecessary and the premise is stupid.
-So what your saying is no matter what they do with it, its always going to be bad, simply based on premise?
“Let’s put smarties on a turd and see if that makes it taste good”
-Lets keep using the samy shitty analogy to see if it clicks.
“Stated by illogical PR morons and you believe that? LOL.”
-ill belive it when I play the finished product and see for myself
“you don’t have to use it” is a terrible argument when we’re talking about a move that’s so easy and convenient”
Which is exactly why its being nerfed, so one wouldnt be so poised to use it all the time and thus make the game easy for one self”
‘Thanks for proving my point”
-While were at it, the grass isnt the correct shade of green that I want.
“Because that’s true, and it has nothing to do with “word being law” (a meaningless statement) or taking away people’s enjoyment of the game, or controlling them in any form”
-Outright saying its true pretty much means you beilief its a bonafied rule. You just contradicted yourself.
“The truth is what I was saying”
-Believeing what you say is true is pretty elitist.
“AKA lying or making false dishonest statements as opposed to actually making a game that reflect those statements”
-It would marketing suicide if they expressed how YOU feel about the game.
“In this case yes, since it looks terrible”
-The pessimst arent exactly in the right either.
http://www.sonicstadium.org/blog/2010/06/18/e3-2010-sonic-the-hedgehog-4-second-opinion/
Hes more in the right beacuse he actually sat down and played the game, and game a (for the most part) unbiased look at it, unlike you whosays half the game is already ruined beacuse of a godamn character model.
“The needs and wants of anybody who actually understands what makes a Sonic game good”
Only in 2D. Beacuse thats all I seen. But for most of them they want some crappy Sandbox like game (Nobody would want that).
“I guess according to you, fans should just accept being sh*t upon and asking for more, instead of actually raising their voices when everything has gone wrong with their beloved series.
Yeah, no.”
-Stop fucking using extremes, im pretty sure someone who blindly bought SOnic games would be considerd a fan more than an ignorant twat who hates every single thing their “fans” of and openly insults those who dont.
“Only morons asked for that,”
-So I guess thousands of people are morons and your right then? Of fucking course.
Unleashed gameplay was terribly automated, linear and boring,”
-Congrats on completely ignoring the 2D sections (and no their not good just beacuse their 2D, the have exploration which is only added by the Wisp) the
Wisps involvement in the 2D and 3D sections..
“and Colors is more of the same, so it’s gonna suck, too.”
-Not to everyone else bub.
“Too bad, the level art is actually pretty nice (unlike the characters)”
-Your never gonna let that shit go.
“From fools who don’t understand what constitutes a good Sonic game, or a good game in general actually.”
-Wow thats the most idiotic thing I ever read.
“I bet you are actually. That would explain a lot more than your lack of character design taste.”
-Clearly you dont have anything substantial to say if your still using ad homenims.
“He is, you just don’t understand hedgehog physiology,”
-No its beacuse hes a fictional blue fucking hedgehog that runs fast and stands upright dummy. Physiology dosent and shouldnt matter in the slightest.
“also you have terrible artistic taste”
-Beacuse I dont share you stupid taste
“I’ll continue to hate them and demand a good one until they make it, yes.”
-Like I said, by all means, keep living in your fantasy.
“If you’d rather be a little b*tch and lick Sega PRs’ asses until they’re shiny like a mirror, be my guest, but that won’t stop me from doing what’s right.”
-Ok you prick, for the last time stop using extremes, in your screwed up world one has to hate Sonic with all his heart, or love him with all his heart. Havent you heard of a fucking middle ground? Im not gonna sit on my ass and wait around for you ignorant dicks to finally approve a Sonic game that meets you retarded standards
and pass down judgements on to people that play the games that destroyed your precious little childhood. If a game is bad ill say its bad and vice versa.
Grow the fuck up and back off.
“More like “Sawknick’s perfect! Your wrong! it has no flaws at all and NEVER HAD! BAAAWWW”
-”Let’s remove his sentence from the context of the text and pretend like he hasn’t given valid reasons for calling me a fanboy! Hope he won’t notice!” Grow the hell up.
“Lucas Hinz you just have terrible tastes, terrible skills for logical thinking, and your English is terrible too..”
Hmmmm,sorry,I don’t have good english,sorry =/
This is not my primary lenguage.
-Sorry that people actually expect something decent.
from baking a turd? You should be sorry.
-one step at a time obviously
That’s retarded, they should just fix everything. They’re professional game makers, it’s not that hard. The problem is unwillingness.
-Avoided? They just used a character model that theyve been using for years. Not suprising really
Not surprising that they’d recycle an ugly character model instead of taking the time and putting the effort into making a good one that actually appeals to people outside of furrytards. This is Sega we’re talking about.
-So what your saying is no matter what they do with it, its always going to be bad, simply based on premise?
On this particular issue yes, obvious to anybody who understands how a well made Sonic game should work.
-Lets keep using the samy shitty analogy to see if it clicks.
It does
-ill belive it when I play the finished product and see for myself
No you already do, I wish I had your time machine.
Which is exactly why its being nerfed, so one wouldnt be so poised to use it all the time and thus make the game easy for one self”
In the latest videos it’s just as bad as it ever was.
-While were at it, the grass isnt the correct shade of green that I want.
That doesn’t relate to what I said in any way.
Though now that you mention it though, the cellophane shiny grass is ugly too.
-Outright saying its true pretty much means you beilief its a bonafied rule.
No it doesn’t, it’s an accurate description of reality, not a rule or law of any kind.
-Believeing what you say is true is pretty elitist.
Not when it actually is true (as it is now), it’s called being right
-It would marketing suicide if they expressed how YOU feel about the game.
It would be game-making artistic genius is they actually implemented what I feel belongs into the game and removed what I feel doesn’t. Actually scratch that, it would just be common sense that’s all.
-The pessimst arent exactly in the right either.
Nobody’s being pessimistic, just realistic.
Hes more in the right beacuse he actually sat down and played the game, and game a (for the most part) unbiased look at it,
It’s very biased and he outright lies right in the first couple of lines, which is as far as I’ll care to read this fanboy nonsense.
“The needs and wants of anybody who actually understands what makes a Sonic game good”
Only in 2D. Beacuse thats all I seen.
That doesn’t even make sense.
But for most of them they want some crappy Sandbox like game (Nobody would want that).
The levels should be sandbox-like and open, not the whole game as a whole
-Stop fucking using extremes,
I’m not
im pretty sure someone who blindly bought SOnic games would be considerd a fan more than an ignorant twat who hates every single thing their “fans” of and openly insults those who dont.
Nobody hates every single thing “their” fans of (god you suck at English, I had to read that 3 times), you’re just making stuff up again
-So I guess thousands of people are morons and your right then? Of fucking course.
Sure. And saying it all sarcastically like that won’t change it.
Congrats on completely ignoring the 2D sections
They’re the exact same as what I’ve just described, shitty corridors that just funnel you forward by boosting.
-Not to everyone else bub
Only to people who like good gameplay
-Clearly you dont have anything substantial to say if your still using ad homenims.
Clearly you don’t have anything to say since you keep using the F word, see I can play the game of irrelevance too
-No its beacuse hes a fictional blue fucking hedgehog that runs fast and stands upright dummy. Physiology dosent and shouldnt matter in the slightest.
It should and it does. Also ad hominems lol
-Beacuse I dont share you stupid taste
You’re right, I don’t have stupid taste, so thats something we don’t share since only you have it.
-Like I said, by all means, keep living in your fantasy.
Like I said, keep wallowing in diarrhea and enjoying it.
-Ok you prick, for the last time stop using extremes
I’m not, also ad hominem lol
in your screwed up world one has to hate Sonic with all his heart, or love him with all his heart.
You’re just making stuff up again.
Im not gonna sit on my ass and wait around for you ignorant dicks to finally approve a Sonic game that meets you retarded standards
Nobody’s asking you to do that, you’re more than free to eat your poop and keep pretending it’s delicious ice cream, just like I’m free to point it out.
If a game is bad ill say its bad and vice versa
Clearly you don’t.
Grow the fuck up and back off.
Clearly you don’t have anything substancial to say since all you ever do is swear and make ad hominems, and stupid statements that don’t have anything to do with what’s going on.
“More like “Sawknick’s perfect! Your wrong! it has no flaws at all and NEVER HAD! BAAAWWW”
-”Let’s remove his sentence from the context of the text and pretend like he hasn’t given valid reasons for calling me a fanboy! Hope he won’t notice!” Grow the hell up.
Except I didn’t do anything like that
I stop discuss about opinions.
But I have good felling playing sonic 4 alpha.
Ignoring the on-going spam…
The Mushroom Hill video blew me away, and I’d like to see something at that level be attempted with this engine.
Though it’d surely take a hefty amount of time to do so. =P
Btw
My only problem is really about BOSS and special stage music in sonic 4
I’m composer and fell bad about this
In special the special stage music
Is sonic 1 without main instrument.
What part of flying, swimming, gliding, and climbing has to do with flow and the interconnectedness with movement?
What part of flying, swimming, gliding, and climbing has to do with flow and the interconnectedness with movement?
The part where it doesn’t hinder it and it’s not shoved in your face with a crosshair on every spot where you can do it, and how the main character doesn’t even do any of that.
But last time I checked, flying and swimming breaks most of the platforming, climbing destroys momentum, and your the momentum of gliding is 100% automated. I don’t think it’s right to say that Genesis games were all about flow if this is the case for one of the most praised games of the franchise.
They just add variety to the gameplay if you happen to pick different characters, and aren’t even remotely similar to the homing attack in Sonic 4 in any way at all.
But if they are acceptable because they add variety to the game-play despite the fact that they also break some of the core elements of classic Sonic games, then why can’t the homing attack be just as acceptable.
Keep in mind that there are a handful of things I dislike about the homing attack, particularly the jump dash that comes with it and that it targets too many things.
then why can’t the homing attack be just as acceptable.
Because like I’ve already explained they only apply to characters that aren’t Sonic, Sonic doesn’t do any of that shit, it’s pure Sonic gameplay.
It adds variety because you can try a different type of gameplay after you’ve completeted the game as Sonic (or even before if that’s your cup of tea). If the homing attack was available only to a second character in Sonic 4 it would be alright.
You should stop embarassing yourself by trying to be a smartass, your comparison was dumb, those moves are nothing like the homing attack in their effect on the gameplay. They have none of the cheapness, laziness and forced-ness of the HA.
… Let me get this straight.
Even if all the other characters have cheap-as-hell moves, it’s alright as long as Sonic doesn’t have any cheap-as-hell moves to get even with them. Do you NOT see anything wrong with that?
And last time I checked, you could play Tails or Knuckles anytime you could play as Sonic.
And EXCUUUUSE ME for questioning the whole rationale behind criticizing the homing attack for its abilities. Sheesh, I didn’t even try to offend you. I even friggin AGREE that the homing attack has too much going for it and should be powered down at the very least if it’s going to stay in this game.
And you’re right. They don’t have the cheapness and laziness of the homing attack. They are just cheap in their own unique ways.
Even if all the other characters have cheap-as-hell moves,
They don’t.
it’s alright as long as Sonic doesn’t have any cheap-as-hell moves to get even with them. Do you NOT see anything wrong with that?
The only thing wrong with that is your understanding of it.
And yes it would at least be BETTER in Sonic 4 if it was relegated to another character, because that would mean we could at least enjoy good, unpoluted Sonic gameplay if we so chose.
And last time I checked, you could play Tails or Knuckles anytime you could play as Sonic.
This has nothing to do with anything I’ve said.
And EXCUUUUSE ME for questioning the whole rationale behind criticizing the homing attack for its abilities.
I’ll excuse you for not doing it intelligently and failing to understand the obvious, but only if you don’t do it again.
I even friggin AGREE that the homing attack has too much going for it and should be powered down at the very least if it’s going to stay in this game.
It shouldn’t be in the game at all.
They don’t have the cheapness and laziness of the homing attack. They are just cheap in their own unique ways.
They aren’t cheap in any way at all. In fact they open up different kinds of depths for the gameplay. Congrats for failing to understand the obvious, again.
Okay smarty-pants, what makes the moves of the other characters not cheap? Don’t say it adds variety to game play, because that’s too obvious of an answer for a ‘genius’ like yourself. Answer that much at the very least and I’ll get off your back for tonight.
Nah, I can’t be arsed to type that long of an explanation because you’re just trolling and would just dismiss it, you’ll just have to try and figure it out for yourself.
I’m trolling you… by asking you questions… right.
Look, I won’t dismiss whatever answer you give me as long as it makes sense. I’m giving you an opportunity to prove me wrong. I even acknowledge that you may even have a good answer for it and that you’re not simply trying to dodge my question.
Just give me your take on it. Abridge it a little if you think your answer is going to be as big as a college level term paper. Tell me what I’ve been missing out on.
Haha, of course I do have a good answer, but why should I spend an hour typing out an explanation for something so simple and obvious, have to fire up the game to look up examples, describe the exact locations I’m talking about and why they support my point, etc.
As if I owe anything to random internet jerks. LOL. Enjoy your Sonic 4 crapfest and keep pretending that 3K was just as cheap, I really, really don’t care
Let’s just say that if you’ve played 3K and think that those moves are just as cheap as the Sonic 4 HA, you’d be too dumb to understand my explanation anyways. And if you think it ruins the game, just pick Sonic, problem solved. Can’t do that in Sonic 4.
Don’t tell me that’s the best you can do. C’mon! Be reasonable! I want YOUR knowledge! And I’m not saying that those moves are just as cheap as the Homing Attack; they just seem to do extremely well at cutting platforming sections as far as I can tell, and anything that breaks platforming is a really big gripe to fans all over, even on SEGA’s forums.
But if you’d rather hold your peace instead of actually trying to support your causes, then I guess there’s nothing more I can do but continue believing in what I already believe in. It’s just too bad that it does absolutely nothing good for you.
Well, I gotta go to sleep now. I’ll check back the following morning to see if you changed your mind about it. And if you still can’t explain it… I mean if you still REFUSE to explain it, then I guess that’s the end of it.
The game explains it, just play it
Its interesting that VoicefullofShit isn’t like this when he is commenting about Bleach episode 168 on DubHappy.
Yep, I think I’m done here. I think I’ll take this question up with SEGA forums later to see if anyone can answer that question for me. Granted that I still have much to dislike about Sonic 4 Episode 1 as it is now, I still think that even if the homing attack is pretty cheap in terms of dealing with badniks (unless the badniks themselves get powered up to add challenge), the other abilities of other characters are cheap when it comes to platforming and don’t seem to have anything to do with maintaining flow despite the amount of player input required to use them effectively and efficiently.
So is he going to be porting the level too? Or just the character model?
“from baking a turd? You should be sorry.”
-Fine whatever, continue with your innapropate analogies.
“That’s retarded, they should just fix everything.”
-Which they are doning in steps
“In the latest videos it’s just as bad as it ever was.”
-hurr mabey beacuse it was just announced and no videos showed the revisied homming attack yet!
“That doesn’t relate to what I said in any way.”
-Just showing you I could whine about minor shit to.
“Though now that you mention it though, the cellophane shiny grass is ugly too.”
-Whatever
“They’re professional game makers, it’s not that hard. The problem is unwillingness.”
-Oh so they refuse to make the game good? Thats not stupid at all.
“Not surprising that they’d recycle an ugly character model instead of taking the time and putting the effort into making a good one that actually appeals to people outside of furrytards.”
-Thats just a freaking retarded generalzation to anyone who like the new Sonic games, you retro fans love reaching new lows huh?
“This is Sega we’re talking about.”
And? Sonic Team/Dimps is making the game
“It does”
-Not when its disgusting and inappropate.
“It would be game-making artistic genius is they actually implemented what I feel belongs into the game and removed what I feel doesn’t. Actually scratch that, it would just be common sense that’s all.”
“Nobody’s being pessimistic, just realistic.”
No, Pessimistic
“It’s very biased and he outright lies right in the first couple of lines, which is as far as I’ll care to read this fanboy nonsense.”
-Its fanboy nonsense to you beacuse its positive most likely.
“That doesn’t even make sense.”
-Retro fans only know how a 2D Sonic works
“The levels should be sandbox-like and open, not the whole game as a whole”
-Oh so exactly like Mario 64, gotcha
“I’m not”
-You ceartinly are
“Nobody hates every single thing “their” fans of (god you suck at English, I had to read that 3 times), you’re just making stuff up again”
-Lets see, you hate Sonic and his design, you hate the games, and you hate the company. Sounds like a hater to me.
“Sure. And saying it all sarcastically like that won’t change it.”
-It does if it it comes a arrogant, egotistacal, jerk.
“They’re the exact same as what I’ve just described, shitty corridors that just funnel you forward by boosting.”
-Good thing the Wisp disprove you idiotic assumptions
“No you already do, I wish I had your time machine.”
-No I said Ill believe it when I play it, stop twisting my words
“Only to people who like good gameplay”
-”Only to people who think like me”
“Clearly you don’t have anything to say since you keep using the F word, see I can play the game of irrelevance too”
-Not really since when I use the F word its at least apart of the argument, you just went off into an insult tanget.
“It should and it does. Also ad hominems lol”
-Not an add homenim, and its stupid to apply the physicology of a real world hedgehog to a fictinoal blue, bipedal one.
“You’re right, I don’t have stupid taste, so thats something we don’t share since only you have it.”
-You have dumb taste for critisicing my own, which you have no right to do.
“Like I said, keep wallowing in diarrhea and enjoying it.”
-Like I said, stop acting like you have the supreme opinon of all Sonic fans.
“You’re just making stuff up again.”
-When anyone likes Sonic and tries to defend him you immediatly go to the “you just think SAWNICK is perfect” fallacy.
“Nobody’s asking you to do that,”
-Obviously in your eyes I cant be a true fan unless I play a Sonic game that you approve of, so if I want to be a true fan I should on play the classic games, since those are the only ones you liked.
“you’re more than free to eat your poop and keep pretending it’s delicious ice cream, just like I’m free to point it out.”
-Oh so im pretending I think the games are good now? Fucking brilliant.
And pointing out nonexistant shit dosent make it true, or hell, even real.
“Clearly you don’t.”
-Clearly I do if I say its a bad game
“Except I didn’t do anything like that”
-Yes you do since I never said that.
“Why don’t you look at the facts? Sega actually listened to fans and made a sequel to the old Sonic games we loved. …no, it’s not what we thought it would be, it’s new 2D Sonic!”
The doublespeak and dishonesty of the Sonic fanbase never ceases to amaze me.
Sonic fans have asked for *oldschool Sonic* and *oldschool* gameplay specifically for the past decade.
In that time we’ve gotten:
Sonic Advance
Sonic Advance 2
Sonic Advance 3
Sonic Rush
Sonic Rush Adventure
Sonic Battle
You’re all so quick to lie and BS to save your dear little abusive boyfriend, Sonic Team.
^ Is that your little alt voiceofreason
Or did your super amounts bullshit began attrackting more nostalga douchebags