“None of us want more of the same. None of us”
No one outside the walls of Sega can know for sure what’s to come in the episodic Sonic the Hedgehog 4. But one fan has issued a pre-emptive strike of sorts, compelling others not to purchase any more episodes through a petition unless core concerns from Episode I are tackled.
“You failed to make the sequel Sonic fans have wanted,” says the petition’s creator Orlando Lewis in his open letter. “You disappointed your retro crowd and you disappointed the younger crowd as well.”
As has been a constant ever since the leaks a year ago, physics are a key part of the argument:
If there’s any one specific problem that’s the number one concern in Sonic 4, it is definitely the physics. In the classic Sonic games, the physics engine was all about the sense of momentum. Running down slopes would help Sonic to accelerate, and running up a slope would cause Sonic to slow down a little. The steeper the slope, the more pronounced the effect, and rolling in to Sonic’s trademark “spinball” form would only increase his slope sensitivity. A well-timed spin would allow Sonic to blow through levels at far faster speeds than he could ever achieve by running on foot. It was a marvelous physics engine emphasized flow and momentum. It was the physics engine that made Sonic the Hedgehog more unique than any other generic platformer during the 90s.
Sonic the Hedgehog 4: Episode 1 does NONE of these things. For one thing, Sonic is incredibly stiff and his acceleration is rather sluggish. But then again, all you need is a minuscule amount of speed to go up tall 90 degree walls while Sonic’s still in his walking animation. Rolling in Sonic’s spinball form is next to useless outside of scripted scenes where one of every hundredth speed booster force you in the spinball form. Plus, Sonic loses all horizontal momentum if you let go of the D-Pad/Analog stick. There are times where if the player wants to spindash off of a ledge, he will shoot off but stop and fall straight down unless he’s constantly holding forward (whereas the classic games’ physics engine lets your momentum continue regardless of directional input). Simply doing any type of platforming challenge feels incredibly awkward and clunky beyond belief.
The petition asks the undersigned to “refuse to purchase any future episodes of Sonic the Hedgehog 4″ until improvements are made. You can interpret the 4 total signatures to that cause any way you’d like.
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lulz
You will all buy it anyways.
And don’t deny me or give me 10 million paragraphs on why you aren’t buying it. You will.
Well I haven’t bought a Sonic (in name only) game in years, and I have no plans to.
And Krazee is right, none of this relates to the actuall discussion. We’re talking about why Sonic 4′s physics suck.
They’re bad, unfitting for a Sonic game, and they ruin a Sonic game. Not because “THEY’RE DIFFERENT OMG” and that’s all there is to it.
I started to think the new TSSZ header for April Fool is pointing forward to this thread lol
“NO ONE, EVER said Sonic 4 isn’t good BECAUSE it’s “not classic”, it’s because the physics suck, Sonic is ugly, and ALL the enemies and bosses are LITERALLY rehashed from Sonic 1 and 2, which by itself screams “LAZY”, but also, the levels are even redrawn versions of older stages, too.
Oh and Sonic looks REALLY stupid when he uncurls in mid-air and sticks his arms out like a moron. Plus the homing attack teleports you to the enemy and kills it for you, as well as being able to use it to cheaply boost speed for free. And before anyone even TRIES the “You don’t have to use it!1!” crap, if I have to avoid pressing the jump button twice to ignore the game developer’s bad ideas, that’s an OBVIOUS game flaw.
And based on the fact that Episode I was bad, we can expect Episode II to suck as well.”
Quote from Matt:
“the physics sucking isn’t an opinion, it’s a fact. We’re not judging the physics based on whether or not anyone had fun with the game, we are judging the physics in comparison to the previous title, Sonic 3. Sonic 4 plays NOTHING like Sonic 3, and that’s a fact, not an opinion. Now, you call yourself a classic Sonic fan, but maybe it doesn’t matter to you whether or not Sonic 4 felt like an extension of Sonic 2. But it’s a historically proven fact that when a game franchise suddenly veers off course the way this one did with Sonic 4—which is a sequel to Sonic 3, mind you!—many fans revolt.”
There, that’s everything I should have just said in the first place.
@Anon
At the end of the day, it almost doesn’t matter if you are Richard Kuta or not. I firmly believe you are, but even if Tristan whips out proof by confirming IPs (or whatever nonsense) and states that you are different people, it doesn’t really change much. You still have the same outlandish, cartoon-like opinions and views as him, that borderline on parody. The only thing you’ll be spared is not having an infamous personal life. So, I guess there’s that, I suppose!
The best part is at the core, I agree with some of your points and I’m not a “scumbag fanfag”, as you and he label so many here. Yes, Sonic games are of terrible quality now, but the way you and Nicochi go around arguing your points is sickening and disrespectful. Watching you rant and rave, akin to militant athiests deriding fundamental Christians (and vice versa), screaming at everyone with an opposite view point is absolutely ridiculous as it will not change anything. You don’t relay your opinions in a mature manner, and you become laughable because of that.
“I agree with some of your points and I’m not a “scumbag fanfag”, as you and he label so many here.”
Good. And dude, by “sumbag fanfag”, we only label people as those, when all we do is share our opinions, and they flame us with the “BAWWWW JUST CUZ YOU DUN LIEK EET!!!” and shit like that. We really don’t care if they like the new Sonic games, as long as they’re respectful.
“Yes, Sonic games are of terrible quality now”
Yes, all we ever did was explain WHY that is. Never said anyone had to agree.
“but the way you and Nicochi go around arguing your points is sickening and disrespectful.”
Sickening and disrespectful? How? I never said anyone had to agree with me, and I never said anyone who disagrees with me is stupid either. Yes, me and Nicochi have thrown insults back at people, but that’s only if they’re disrespectful to us first!
As I said, we don’t CARE if anyone likes the new Sonic.
But being consistent with the original series, that is how we have come up with explanations for why the new games are bad.
Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts sucks too, because it plays NOTHING like Kazooie/Tooie.
“screaming at everyone with an opposite view point is absolutely ridiculous as it will not change anything.”
I know. Good thing I don’t act that way or anyway remotely like that. Show me a post where I have acted that way, please?
“You don’t relay your opinions in a mature manner”
AS IF maturity has to do with anything…
“and you become laughable because of that.”
Likewise, people laugh at stuff simply because they do not understand it, so I can care less.
@Anon
*Your bit about Sonic’s character design*
And I continue to not get these character design complaints. Seriously, the little wrinkle in between his eye’s don’t make him look bad in my opinion. I dunno, maybe I’m not looking at him right or something. And his pupils aren’t tiny black specs. Look at Marios eyes, his eye’s look almost exactly the same. Also, mostly when people refer to the whole “GREN EYEZ” buisness they refer to how people thought the whole CHARACTER DESIGN was going to ruin the game. They also make fun of the people who LITERALLY thought that Sonic’s eye color was going to ruin the whole game.
“Nope, what matters is that I see the game in action, and I’ve seen several videos containing gameplay footage, which is no different than going to a friend’s house and watching him play it.
If you like Colors, that’s perfectly fine, but it’s still the same “hold a button” gameplay we’ve been getting since the 2000′s.
And even IF Colors had decent gameplay, the ugly characters still ruin the atmosphere more than they should, which is equally important as the gameplay itself.”
No no no, see Sonic Colors ISN’T a hold boost to win game. It really isn’t. The white wisps are pretty scarce and they burn the boost gauge a lot more than the Unleashed gauge. And most of the levels in the game you can’t really use the boost for a pretty large portion of the level and if you do, you die most times in those situations.
And really, you should give it a chance. Play it for yourself. and no, the character designs do NOT ruin the game. AKR and a whole slew of others hate Sonic’s design yet they’d agree that it is a very enjoyable game.
“Which is cheap and lazy.”
I guess I used the wrong words there. I MEANT that some of the Sonic Simulator’s levels, which are completely optional, are BASED around some of Sonic 1′s. They aren’t EXACT rips, as they add a few twists on to the levels but not enough to not make it unclear that the levels are some of the older ones.
“I metnioned Super Mario 64 because, like Super Mario 64, DK 64, and Banjo-Kazooie/Tooie, Sonic is supposed to have giant, open worlds to explore.That’s what I meant.
And Galaxy IS more linear, which is appropriate for Mario but not for Sonic.”
And actually, Sonic isn’t about big open worlds, I mean yeah it’s good to have pretty large levels, but, as I said Sonic’s about getting from point A to point B as fast as possible. And that bit about Galaxy should be the other way around. I mean, not to the point where a Sonic game has no extra hidden paths but Sonic should NOT beat Mario out in terms of vastness of levels.
“And actually, Sonic isn’t about big open worlds”
Yes it is, along with realistic weight and momentum physics, and platforming sequences. Play Marble Zone from Sonic 1. It’s not fast, not even one loop de loop in any of the acts, and yet it’s one of the best levels in the game.
“Sonic’s about getting from point A to point B as fast as possible.”
Nope.
And as for character design, it’s very important, actually. What if they took Marcus Fenix from Gears of War, gave him the voice of SpongeBob SquarePants, and put him in a clown costume, complete with squeaky shoes? Wouldn’t effect the gameplay in the least, but dramatically effect the quality of the game.
And by the way, nobody ever said eye color ruins a game. More shit made up by fanboys to trivialize us complaining about the characters being ugly. I believe I have said this to you before.
Look, if you like Colors, that’s fine. I just posted how I feel about the game.
Wierd, last comment didnt show up.
Anyway, no one ever said eye color ruins the game, that is made up by fanboys.
What if they gave Marcus Fenix from Gears of War the voice of Sponge Bob, and pput him in a clown costume with squeaky shoes?
It would effect the quality of the game, but not the gameplay itself in the least.
And yes, huge open worlds to explore IS part of the Sonic formula. Along with realistic weight and momentum physics, and platforming sequences here and there.
See Marble one from Sonic 1. Not a single loop in any of the acts, and it’s one fo the best levels in the game.
Anon: If your apologies are still standing, I accept them and I present you mine.
Let’s say we all have different views on Sonic and even if we don’t agree with them, we should accept that other people have different tastes. This apply to you and me too.
“And his pupils aren’t tiny black specs. Look at Marios eyes, his eye’s look almost exactly the same.”
No, they don’t
“they refer to how people thought the whole CHARACTER DESIGN was going to ruin the game”
Character design CAN ruin a game. What if they took Marcus Fenix From Gears of War, gave him the voice of Spongebob SquarePants, and put him in a clown costume with squeaky shoes? It would dramatically effect the quality of the game, but not effect the gameplay in the least.
“And actually, Sonic isn’t about big open worlds”
Yes it is, along with platforming sequences and realistic weight and momentum physics. That, with huge open worlds to explore, is was what built the Sonic franchise. Not “speed”.
“Sonic’s about getting from point A to point B as fast as possible”
No it’s not, and that’s why the new games are bad. But if you like them, good for you.
@ Donna Tyler
Yes, that’s for the best, and thank you for cooperating
Unfortunately, my longer cooments are no longer showing, so I may have been “somewhat banned” :/
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“And actually, Sonic isn’t about big open worlds”
Yes it is, along with platforming sequences and realistic weight and momentum physics. That, with huge open worlds to explore, is was what built the Sonic franchise. Not “speed”.
“Sonic’s about getting from point A to point B as fast as possible”
No it’s not, and that’s why the new games are bad. But if you like them, good for you.
“They refer to how people thought the whole CHARACTER DESIGN was going to ruin the game”
Character design CAN ruin a game. What if they took Marcus Fenix from Gears of War, gave him the voice of SpongeBob Square Pants, and put him in a clown costume with squeaky shoes? It would dramatically affect the quality of the game, but not affect the game play in the least.
“And his pupils aren’t tiny black specs. Look at Marios eyes, his eye’s look almost exactly the same.”
No, they don’t
@ Tristan Oliver:
Why are any comments I type longer than a sentance no longer showing up? Am I being restrained since I posted so many comments?
Oh, Vulpine’s been banned, huh? Oh well. And since nicochi came off to me as a giant, Classic-Sonic-purist jerk-ass when I contacted him on deviantART, him being B& from this site is a nice little bonus too
Oh wow, my comments did show after all lol
@ Amuro
“And since nicochi came off to me as a giant, Classic-Sonic-purist jerk-ass”
No, chances are you said something stupid and annoyed him, so treated you like every other fanfag and blocked you.
Anyway, this article isn’t even about nicochi, so there’s no point in anyone bringing him up.
I send him one message on this board, and everyone is suddenly like “BAAAAW NICOCHI SAYS MY OPINION SUCKS BECAUSE I DISAGREE WITH HIM! THAT JERK!! SO MEAN AND IMMATUREZ”
Cut the crap,people.
@Anon: Actually, nicochi did say that my opinion was wrong because I disagreed with him when I contacted him on dA concerning Sonic’s new design. But you’re right, this article isn’t about him, so w/e. Besides, I believe I expressed my thoughts on this article already, so I don’t think I’ll bother repeating it.
@ Amuro
Well alright, whether he said that or not, Im not gonna argue about nicochi anymore, and if anyone else brings him up, I’ll just ignore that section of their posts. Won’t even reply to that particular part anymore.
Anyways, yes, as long as you feel you’ve expressed what you had to say on this article, don’t feel the need to repeat it.
I support my opinions, but I will still happily talk with people about their views too, just as long as they don’t spout disrespectful statements like “You’re nitpicking!”,”Get over it!”, etc.
I mean, I’ve been posting comments since like, the bottom of Page 1 of these comments, and almost every other post I said “Nobody has to agree with me” and I never said anything like “If you disagree with me you’re dumb”
Just thought I’d re-clarify that, for anyone reading this.
Ok, the reason this boycott was started is because the writer of this letter claimed Sonic 4′s physics suck, right?
Well, it’s true. This is actual gameplay from Sonic 4, and this is more than enough to point out the faulty physics is the game.
In* the game
Who cares if the physics suck lmao its still a good game
and i dont care if its rehashed graphics and enenmies if i remember correctly sonic colors has TONS of old school badniks. i like the way they did it
and im sure episode 2 will be better
I’m not buying Episode 2 unless I see the proper changes.
And this time I have the means to back my words up. A friend/neighbor has a modded Wii, if I wanna try it out, I could go to his house and see how terrible it is… for free.
Of course if they put some actual WORK into the project, I’d buy it one, two, maybe three times.
I’m sure that nobody really gives a sh1t about whether or not they buy future episodes of Sonic 4; from the standpoint of Sega, after all, there are plenty other fish in the sea than nerd-raging die-hards that they need to appeal to – and plenty of people actually enjoyed the first instalment of the game.
Congratulations, petitioners; you have stopped nothing.
@ BLAHHHHHHHHH
“Who cares if the physics suck lmao its still a good game”
Way to contradict yourself. Realistic physics are required to make just about any game good.
“and i dont care if its rehashed graphics and enenmies”
And just because you don’t have any standards doesn’t mean everyone has to be like you, either.
“if i remember correctly sonic colors has TONS of old school badniks. i like the way they did it”
Well I know it has those uninspired “Egg Pawns”…but if you like it, good for you.
“and im sure episode 2 will be better”
Based on what? Because based on the fact Episode 1 sucks, I can expect Episode 2 to suck as well.
@ Zodic
“if I wanna try it out, I could go to his house and see how terrible it is… for free.”
Damn straight! Hell, even downloading the demo for free, which only contains Act 1 of the first Zone, was more than enough for me to see.
But even then, you don’t need to even play the game to see if a game is bad, you can tell by watching a video, because all that matters is that you see the game in action, as I just posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nDRsjiXiMo
“Of course if they put some actual WORK into the project, I’d buy it one, two, maybe three times.”
Yeah, if Sonic 4 was actually a GOOD game (which is isn’t) I would have bought it myself a while ago.
@ Extaticus
“from the standpoint of Sega, after all, there are plenty other fish in the sea than nerd-raging die-hards that they need to appeal to”
That’s the thing. Sonic has so many fanboys, Sega KNOWS their games will keep selling no matter what the quality.
“Congratulations, petitioners; you have stopped nothing”
And what have you done that’s so significant?
@BLAHHHHHHHHH: If the physics suck, then the game will feel awkward to play. And this is coming from someone who actually enjoyed Sonic 4.
@Extaticus: Seconded.
@Anon: And just to make sure you know, and this will be the last I speak of nicochi, I never said he was immature. He is actually a pretty smart dude from the comments he posted that I read, but when I spoke to him, my first impression of him was that he was always right and everyone who had an opinion that disagreed with his was wrong. So, once again, I never called him immature. However, I will say it’s not hard to come to that conclusion when he compares Sonic’s quills to “blue floppy dicks”.
@ Amuro
“@BLAHHHHHHHHH: If the physics suck, then the game will feel awkward to play. And this is coming from someone who actually enjoyed Sonic 4.”
Thank you for posting that comment.
“And just to make sure you know, and this will be the last I speak of nicochi, I never said he was immature. He is actually a pretty smart dude from the comments he posted”
I never said you aid that, but others on this board have. Anyways yes, he is a smart guy.
“but when I spoke to him, my first impression of him was that he was always right and everyone who had an opinion that disagreed with his was wrong”
I used to be a fanboy of the new Sonic, and when I found his page for the first time, my mind was blown. Yes, if you like modern Sonic and read his articles for the first time, it IS easy to get such vibes, but overtime, once you really get to understand the guy, he’s really not so bad.
Anyways, thanks for being respectful, but I really don’t wanna talk about nicochi anymore, because he has nothing to do with this article.
@Anon: No problem, bro! But, even after reading all these comments, I have to say, I still enjoy playing games like Advance, Rush, Unleashed, and even 4. But, that’s just me
Ok, I’ll buy the future episodes
Oh lawd. Child’s play. Petitions, protests and boycotts should be left for important things like equal rights, family’s physical protection and whatnot.
If it’s about something like this then you’re not BOYCOTTING it. It’s nothing more than “Meh, not interested so I’m not buying” in reality. And no game is bought by EVERYONE. So it really makes no difference. I just hope those who don’t want to play the game don’t ruin it for those who do.
I love how they called people who participated in the “True Blue” initiative “Simple Minded Fans”
I’ve said this time and time again, are the physics different…yes…is it game breaking…honestly after you get used to them and use them to your advantage then no…not unless your trying to show them off in videos just to “prove” how terrible the game is…
After Casino Street, I never died, suffered from, or was in any way impaired by the phsyics…and I never will again because I know what I’m suppose to do…
The physics are different, yes…but does it make it a terrible game…no….let’s pretend it’s NOT Sonic 4…let’s pretend it’s like….Sonic Rush 16 or whatever…would you still complain about the physics…probably not…and people who complained about the physics would probably enjoy the game more….but apparently the problem is that devilish number 4 after the word Hedgehog…
Curse you SEGA for trying to make the fans happy and give us a 2D Console game that is a squeal to Sonic 3 & Knuckles….you should’ve called the game “Not Sonic 4″ and I think nobody would ever complain again…I understand that’s the point…that it’s suppose to play like the classics…but to me physics and everything is all nit-picky…as long as the game is fun to me I don’t really care…and here’s the thing…
Let’s not compare Sonic 4 to the Classic Sonic games…let’s compare it to the other Sonic games in the franchise…would you play Sonic 06 over Sonic 4? Would you play Shadow the Hedgehog over Sonic 4? Would you play Sonic Genesis over Sonic 4? Would you honestly say that all those games are better and more fun than Sonic 4 will ever be?
I know I wouldn’t….I’d take Sonic 4 over all those…because even though Sonic 4 has physic problems, I still love the game and play it occasionally when I want a quick Sonic fix….in fact if the other episodes are the same as episode I, I’ll enjoy them and it’s highly likely that after Sonic 4 is fully completed it will be one of my favorite Sonic Games of all time….beating out Sonic 2….yes Sonic 2…but it’s only because I never really cared for Sonic 2…
I know I’m going to get flamed or called something for stating my opinions, but you know what…I don’t care…flame away because I love Sonic 4 physics and all…
As for the rehashed stuff…I never really cared…it was never an issue to me because THEY’RE NOT THE SAME…they may LOOK the same, but the overall level design and gimmicks are different…I don’t remember running on a road of cards in Casino Night Zone from Sonic 2…I don’t remember Labyrinth Zone from Sonic 1 being pitch black dark and having mind carts…I don’t remember being chased by a wall of death in Metropolis Zone from Sonic 2…if you remember all this then dang it I must have been playing the wrong games…
Same goes for bosses…It never bothered me that they were rehashed and it was actually kind of interesting to see how the bosses would differentiate from the original bosses and go into a totally different pinch mode…
Also I like the music…I don’t hear the “Dying cat” and for what it is…it’s Sonic music…Splash Hill Act 2 and Mad Gear Act 1 are two of my favorite music tracks from the ENTIRE Sonic series…could it have been better….yeah I guess…if they gave E.G.G. Station it’s own theme instead of re-using the Pinch mode music that would have been a DEFINITE plus…but it’s still enjoyable…well to me…
and finally…to petition them to do something…you’re going to accomplish anything…I still know people who are going to buy the game…multiple copies in fact (me for one)…and if you won’t buy it then…god speed to you…have fun still enjoying the classic series then…I’m still going to buy episode II and I’m going to enjoy it for what it’s worth…changes or not…but that’s just me I guess and I guess I’m not a “true” Sonic fan…oh well I guess I just suck overall then….
Damn, this is like four pages long.
Anyway, even if Episode II looks awesome and feels more like a direct, original, updated sequel to the classics more than Episode I did, I’m still going to download the demo first. If it actually plays like the classics (or the physics resemble the classics more signigantly than Episode I did), is more original in level design, bosses, badniks, and level themes; and has a lot of content for a lasting appeal (playable characters, local/online co-op and competitive racing 2P, etc.) then I’ll buy it.
Wow this place exploded while I was out, lol. At any rate:
@TruthWarriorX, Matt, and Anon
I wholeheartedly disagree and here’s why.
First the eyes, they don’t look upside down to me, the position of the ‘light’ in the eyes makes the eyes look ‘wrong’ but they don’t appear as if they’re upside down. The middle unibrow is something I like too, it’s still got the old school charm but they added extra eyebrows for more facial features.
The quills make a lot of sense to me as well, a real hedgehog’s quills aren’t constantly rigid either, moving in low wind is stupid, but they should move a bit.
The body is weird, with it’s long limbs, huge head, and odd torso. Quite honestly I can see why people wouldn’t like it. At the same time though, the longer limbs and thinner torso make more sense in that he’s now streamlined (and aerodynamic, in terms of the quills) so his super speed makes more sense. The feet and hands are holdovers from the Classic style, reminding me of Mikey’s huge hands and feet. Another thing about the longer bodies, I like them for something that Sega themselves never utilize, their dynamicness. In Archie and fan art, they use the longer bodies and more expressive faces to give them more dynamic poses and make scenes more interesting. The only character who Sega uses this for is Eggman, with his drastic sweeping motions .
These are my feelings on the International model anyways.
@DalekSaxon: I agree with almost everything that you posted. But, at the same time, it’s not hard to see why people, especially the die-hard retro fanatics, hate the game. Yeah, after you get used to the physics (which I’ve forgotten due to playing Colors so much more) the game is a piece of cake, but the physics are still kinda awkward. But, also like I said on another article, I don’t think of Sonic 4 as a “classic-style” game, even though that’s what Sega was trying to go for. If this game was called “Sonic Dash: Part I” or some crap like that, then the retro-fans wouldn’t be causing such a shit-storm. But because Sega seems to make more wrongs than they try to right, this controversy will be held against them forever, even if the execs even give a damn, which I hope they do.
#even if the execs DON’T give a damn, which I hope they do.
…ugh, typos suck.
@Amuro: Well that’s just them then…because when I first heard about Sonic 4…I was happy…and I wasn’t happy because it was Sonic 4…I was happy that it was a 2D Console Sonic game…
I honestly wasn’t thinking “This better be awesome SEGA…or else” or “This better be as good as Sonic 3…”. No I was thinking “This is going to be awesome, this is going to be fun”…
Because that’s all a game needs to be…Fun…I don’t care about the technical crap, I don’t care about what the game signifies, and I don’t care about any complaints about…as long as I have fun with it, it doesn’t matter…which is why I’m a “Un-True Sonic”, I have the most fun with the Sonic series and the games more than any other franchises…
To me if I’m smiling by the end of the game…then it’s a good game…and I’ll play it over again…I can go all “critical” on it if I wanted to…but whenever I play any Sonic game for the first time…I put my critic aside and I play the game for what it’s worth…to me if everyone just put their brain on pause for an hour and actually played the game for what it is…it’s enjoyable…enjoy it now…tear it apart later…that’s how I do it..and it’s probably the wrong way to do it but oh well that’s how I do it…
@ Amuro
“I have to say, I still enjoy playing games like Advance, Rush, Unleashed, and even 4.”
And that’s perfectly fine. It’s ok if you like them.
@ DalekSaxon
“different…yes…is it game breaking…honestly after you get used to them and use them to your advantage then no”
First of all, no one complained about them being “DIFFERENT OMG!!”, it’s because they suck. Do these “physics” even make sense to you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nDRsjiXiMo
And yes you can tell they’re bad by seeing that video because seeing the game in action is all that matters. God, Im just repeating myself at this point.
Also, if someone took a shit in your room, you can get used to the smell after a while, but there’s gonna
be shit in your room until it’s cleaned up. So, just because you “got used” to the physics doesn’t change anything.
“but apparently the problem is that devilish number 4 after the word Hedgehog…”
And note the terrible physics, ugly characters, rehashed stages, bosses, and enemies, and the bland and forgettable music, too. Oh and even the ending cutscene is rehashed.
“you should’ve called the game “Not Sonic 4″ and I think nobody would ever complain again”
We’d still be complaining about the broken gamepaly, crap music, ugly characters, and stupid and over dramatic stories as well, as long as those are left in the games.
“but to me physics and everything is all nit-picky”
No, you just don’t have high standards for video games. Well, at least Sonic games.
“Let’s not compare Sonic 4 to the Classic Sonic games”
That’s absolutely ridiculous. This is SUPPOSED to be a sequel to the classic games, so obviously, we’re going to compare it to them. And compared to them, this game sucks.
“I know I’m going to get flamed or called something for stating my opinions”
No.
“the overall level design and gimmicks are different…I don’t remember running on a road of cards in Casino Night Zone from Sonic 2…I don’t remember Labyrinth Zone from Sonic 1 being pitch black dark and having mind carts…I don’t remember being chased by a wall of death in Metropolis Zone from Sonic 2″
All those gimmics have nothing to do with the actual complaints to begin with. It’s the enemies, stages, and bosses literally being rehashed from Sonic 1 and 2.
“it’s Sonic music”
Not really, they just tried to use primitive sounds to make “nostalgic” music. Needless to say, the Genesis music sounded lightyears better, anyway.
“but it’s still enjoyable…well to me…”
Good for you.
“have fun still enjoying the classic series then…I’m still going to buy episode II and I’m going to enjoy it for what it’s worth”
Yes, I’ll enjoy my chocolate sundae while you enjoy your bowl of shit. Have fun!
“I guess I’m not a “true” Sonic fan…oh well I guess I just suck overall then”
You are only what you believe you are.
@ Yeow95
“Anyway, even if Episode II looks awesome and feels more like a direct, original, updated sequel to the classics more than Episode I did, I’m still going to download the demo first. If it actually plays like the classics (or the physics resemble the classics more signigantly than Episode I did), is more original in level design, bosses, badniks, and level themes; and has a lot of content for a lasting appeal (playable characters, local/online co-op and competitive racing 2P, etc.) then I’ll buy it.”
Agreed.
@ Skai Cyan
“At the same time though, the longer limbs and thinner torso make more sense in that he’s now streamlined (and aerodynamic, in terms of the quills) so his super speed makes more sense”
Sonic’s not even about speed to begin with. Play Sonic 1-2-3K, then Super Mario World. Sonic doesn’t run noticably faster than Mario.
“In Archie and fan art, they use the longer bodies and more expressive faces to give them more dynamic poses and make scenes more interesting”
But they do it to the point the characters have an ungraceful, lanky and stretchy appearence, which is ugly.
@ Amuro
“I don’t think of Sonic 4 as a “classic-style” game, even though that’s what Sega was trying to go for”
Not to mention they failed miserably at doing so.
“If this game was called “Sonic Dash: Part I” or some crap like that, then the retro-fans wouldn’t be causing such a shit-storm”
We’d still complain about the hideous characters, terrible gameplay, crap music, and stupid and or inapproriate storylines, too.
@ DalekSaxon
“when I first heard about Sonic 4…I was happy…and I wasn’t happy because it was Sonic 4…I was happy that it was a 2D Console Sonic game”
But what about controlling Sonic like a ball and running through huge, open worlds, only in 3D? Because thats what most fans want. Keep the classic gameplay and build upon it, give us new music, stages, and characters/enemies, and make a proper 3D Sonic game.
“as long as I have fun with it, it doesn’t matter”
Likewise, fans won’t stop complaining just because you like it.
“it’s probably the wrong way to do it but oh well”
That’s a disgusting attitude.
I don’t mind refusing to buy a game, it’s the idea of labeling that act “boycotting” it that perplexes and infuriates me. There’s a difference between a bad game and a compromise of civil rights.
“There’s a difference between a bad game and a compromise of civil rights”
Not to sound arrogant, but please explain what that means, and what that has to do with this article? Thank you.
@Anon
hey just a question, it might sound dumb but why don’t you like sonic colors? i mean the gameplay tat i’ve played is nothing like the way you said. i didn’t just hold the button forward like i did in unleashed.
oh also why is it important to keep the character design the same. mario,zelda and ESPECIALLY Megaman plus others have gone through design changes and they’ve came out fine. i just find it a bit weird when sonic does it it’s bad. plus i’m not talking dramatic changes like your marcus and a clown suit!lol that’s just plain dumb.(although it would be intresting for a bonus costume. all creepy and bloody.hmmmm….)
I’m confused on some things here.
1: Why do people say you can hold right or forward in certain Sonic games over the past few years if that’s only true in the first few stages? You either run into a road block or die. And it’s been like that for almost 20 years. Nothing new.
2: Why do people say Sonic got taller when his height is the same? No one ever says Sally or Sonia is taller than Sonic just because she’s more human shaped.
3: How come some fans complain about unimportant details and then accuse non-complainers of telling them to never give constructive criticism?
4: Why do people only want Sonic in a game when a good portion of the fan-base either really likes or even favors a different character in the Sonic franchise? Wouldn’t it be more colorful and diverse to have Sonic AND others?
5: Why do people say Sonic 4 is more of a crappy remake of the classics if the stages are merely influenced by classic stages in design alone? The robots are merely design as well considering alternate robots could play the exact same roles and often do. And the course is nothing we’ve seen before.
6: How come suddenly anything that’s not classic is considered bad? Eggman’s clothes for example. Or the fact that people will hate on Blaze or Silver for being newer but love Mighty and Bean despite having little to no personality, hardly being in any games and having very unoriginal designs.
7: Why do some people have a problem with Sonic’s planet being called “Earth”? Does it really make a difference? Sonic’s a hedgehog, not an alien. And he’s on a planet either way. Being on Earth doesn’t automatically mean more realistic. At the same time, Mobius is already confirmed to BE Earth anyways.
8: And lastly for now, why do people claim that want a less realistic Sonic when the games they dislike are the ones that are unrealistic while the ones they love are at least semi-realistic? (And why do people not want Sonic to be realistic yet have a problem with the idea of unrealistic Sonic logic? lol)
That’s all for now. Just something to think about. Sorry for all the typing. lol
Why do people keep bring up these nitpicky points (Sonic’s design, Eggman/Robotnik’s name, etc..) when the boycott had nothing to do with any of those things? The boycott–well, let’s call it what it really is, a petition–is about getting SEGA to realize and admit that Sonic 4 had serious issues that need be resolved in the next episode, and as an aside, that perhaps they should even remake and rerelease the first episode before moving on to the next.
Yes, I prefer the old designs. And yeah, a small part of me misses hearing the name Robotnik. And you know something? I can’t stand the new voice actor they got playing Sonic these days. But those are by far the least of what ails the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise these days. I’d take a dozen more green-eyed, floppy-tentacle spined Roger Craig Smith-voiced Sonic games if it meant I’d be getting quality Sonic the Hedgehog games (I can’t speak for Sonic Colors because I haven’t played it yet; it does look pretty awesome, though, and I’m glad there are hidden paths throughout the stages).
@ sonicdudefan1996
“hey just a question, it might sound dumb but why don’t you like sonic colors? i mean the gameplay tat i’ve played is nothing like the way you said. i didn’t just hold the button forward like i did in unleashed”
Ok, Colors’ gameplay was more decent, but the ugly characters, bland music, and inappropriate story all dumb the game down, and the gameplay is really only decent at best.
“oh also why is it important to keep the character design the same”
I never said that, I said we want a Sonic that looks like Sonic.
“mario,zelda and ESPECIALLY Megaman plus others have gone through design changes and they’ve came out fine.”
Nintendo never made Mario all stretchy-looking like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFuFblYEl5k
Link, he’s a different character with almost every game, so it’s ok for him to be slightly different. And Megaman is ok to be humanoid, but making SOnic humanoid is inappropriate and ugly.
So please, don’t bring up other video game characters that have nothing to do with the discussion.
“i just find it a bit weird when sonic does it it’s bad”
“i’m not talking dramatic changes like your marcus and a clown suit!lol that’s just plain dumb”
It’s not bad that Sonic changed, it’s because he changed in a BAD way, like you said, Marcus in a clown suit is dumb, likewise, Sonic’s modern design is actually dumb, too.
@ FoxBoy
1. All false.
2. No one said that. The complaint is that he’s stretchy-looking and therefore ugly. This applies to all the characters too.
3. What do you mean by unimportant details?
4. No one ever said we ONLY want a new Sonic game. We want good games in general.
5. Because all the stages, enemies, and bosses ARE literally rehashed from Sonic 1 and 2. There’s nothing nostalgic about it, it screams “LAZY” in every way possible, and even the ending cutscene is rehashed. Oh and also, the literal story of Sonic 4 is, “Eggman rehashes his “best creatations” to try to beat Sonic”. Hello!
6. No one ever said that. Don’t make stuff up, please.
7. No one has a problem with that either. Sorry, dude.
8. Sonic is a fnatasy setting. A realistic setting is awkward and out of place. And real logic can tell that.
@ Matt
“Why do people keep bring up these nitpicky points (Sonic’s design, Eggman/Robotnik’s name, etc..)”
That’s NOT nitpicking. First of all, desing is what gives the character it’s personality, and defines that character in general. Who wants to play as a stretchy-looking freak?
And secondly, Eggman IS a stupid name. It tarnishes his image, character, and threat as an adversary. Would you take Osama Bin Laden seriously if he demanded we call him Mr. Fluffy Beard?
“when the boycott had nothing to do with any of those things?”
Well Sonic 4 sucks in general, so why not add all those important other details?
” The boycott–well, let’s call it what it really is, a petition–is about getting SEGA to realize and admit that Sonic 4 had serious issues that need be resolved in the next episode”
In otherwords, everything.
“I’d take a dozen more green-eyed, floppy-tentacle spined Roger Craig Smith-voiced Sonic games if it meant I’d be getting quality Sonic the Hedgehog games”
Then I guess your standards aren’t that high for Sonic games, because those ARE all serious isshues, too. Visuals, music, and character design all create the Atomosphere and overall feel of the game, and that is EQUALLY is important as the gameplay, because that’s what you’re playing in.
Gameplay and atmoshere are what really make a game, and people who think “eetz teh gaempleh taht cowntz!1!1″ will be perfectly satisfied with only 1 of those, which is 50% and therefore an F.
“I can’t speak for Sonic Colors because I haven’t played it yet; it does look pretty awesome, though, and I’m glad there are hidden paths throughout the stages).”
First of all, you don’t need to play Colors to tell if it’s good or bad, you can look it up on Youtube because SEEING THE GAME IN ACTION IS WHAT MATTERS, and second;y, most of those paths are still linear, which doesn’t help.
Can we all PLEASE stop talking about Sonic Colors? It has nothing to do with the discussion.
You know something, Anon? You may not realize it but until now you and I have seen eye to eye on nearly everything. I’m the same Matt who has been backing you up for the last three or so pages and now you’re telling me that I mustn’t have high standards for a Sonic game? Now you’re starting to piss me off now. I have EXTREMELY high standards! Don’t lump me with that other group–the group that’ll gulp down whatever cold raw dish SEGA serves them. I can nitpick, I really can–really, one of the reasons I haven’t gotten around to playing Sonic Colors is that I don’t think I can stomach Sonic’s new voice–it’s just that I happen to know that bitching about things that do not matter to most people and are matters of opinion rather than fact (FACT: Sonic 4 is a poorly-designed Sonic game. OPINION: Eggman is a bad name for Sonic’s rival) makes the entire cause of which we are a part of look bad. Notice how everyone keeps honing on those little details instead of discussing the real issues as stated in the boycott? Unlike the arguments we’ve made against Sonic 4′s quality, which are easily demonstrable with YouTube videos (such as that last one you linked to), you can’t change people’s minds about Sonic’s appearance and Eggman’s name!
Like I said, for the most part I AGREE with you on those points (I like the name Robotnik more, but I can’t help but think it’s silly to argue against what was always his name in Japan), but to everyone else it looks like batshit insanity and I’m going to take part in it.
Rail against these facets of the Sonic franchise all you want, but the arguments are just going to go around and around in circles because there is no decisive evidence to prove that one way is better than another. You’d need to institute some massive-scale poll in order to definitively prove whats better for the Sonic series because what’s better for the Sonic series can only be decided by the majority of Sonic fans.