Claims of No Voice, Physics “Closer to the Classics Than Anything Since”
Here come the promises.
Sega community manager Aaron Webber took to NeoGAF Tuesday night to confirm two major components of Sonic Generations related to Classic Sonic.
First, many have noticed various noises coming from the classic character in the trailer released Monday. It turns those were added in post-production, and Sonic’s 1991 counterpart will literally be speechless for this adventure.
“Classic Sonic won’t talk, but will show his personality through his actions,” Webber said. “The feedback we gave long ago was something like ‘Unless you’re going to get Jaleel White, Classic Sonic should not speak a word.’ ”
The second point is the one Webber and many at Sega will be held accountable for. Webber said classic Sonic will have physics closer to the classic games than at any point beyond the core games in the past 20 years, and that classic and modern Sonic hold separate mechanics.
“Classic Sonic has his own set of distinct physics, which are closer to the classics than anything since – including Sonic 4: Ep1,” Webber said.
In a later post, Webber says the game has been in development “for quite some time,” and that critics of Sonic 4: Episode 1 should be surprised when they pick up Generations.
“When you play it, I think you’ll find that a number of key issues you may have had with physics in Sonic 4 have been completely addressed,” he said.
Last May, we exclusively reported, as part of a piece detailing changes being made to the console editions of Sonic 4: Episode I, a lack of current comprehension regarding classic Sonic mechanics, a principal reason the Sonic 4 physics were not tweaked accordingly. It was and still is not clear whether that lack of knowledge extended to just Dimps or the whole of Sega, nor is it clear, in either case, whether those circumstances have changed.
Possibly with that in mind, Webber commented to the crowd at Sonic Retro within the hour, and assured he will never claim anything in-game to be “perfect”:
And FYI, I will never say anything is perfect – it’s important to be realistic. Here on the internet, someone will always find something to complain about. Perfection is a matter of perception.
Many Sonic fans have learned many times before how dangerous it is for Sega officials to jump the gun on these core matters. Now, not 36 hours after many digested the first bit of gameplay from the first level, high standards are again set. It’s a huge gamble, and if Webber’s wrong, it will yield tremendous community backlash. While the state of Sonic may be euphoric now, statements like these make it worth watching how things unfold the next several months to see how true they are, and that’s exactly what we’ll be doing.
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I don’t know how to process this…On one hand I see how it’s good that Classic is mute, but on the other, I feel he should talk….
no way, sonic didnt speak until sonic cd,and that was brief anyway! and this sonic is ripped outta sonic 1. Even so, i like him silent, its so old school. Expressions and actions can speak the words for him!
Actions speak louder than words.
I know for a fact you remember watching Tom and Jerry….unless you’re like 10.
People have noticed that “classic Sonic’s” physics seem to be very similar to… well… the classic games. Obviously, this can’t be fully determined based on footage, but that’s what people who actually CARE about the physics have noted.
It’s hard to even really know if Sonic 4 feedback had that much impact on this game, Sonic 4 is a Dimps project and it’s entirely their idea what they think classic Sonic gameplay is while Sonic Teams is very passionate on capturing the look and feel of the classic games, it’s the little things like yellow springs, blue shields, and the way Sonic keeps his walk/run animation in the air that show that they’ve been doing their research.
Also, no uncurling
Well, the trailer does so some more precise and realistic physics, unlike the floaty SpiderSonic physics in Sonic 4…
Oo like the beginning of the trailer
I’m alright with Classic not talking, but he’s in trouble in classic Amy sneaks up to give him a death hug.
I think this is a good decision. Jaleel White doesn’t fit the universe of “Sonic 1″ Sonic. That was largely an Americanization thing (although I still thought it was totally stupid back then). Just waiting for him to say, “Did I dooooo thaaaat?” or “Oh Saaaaaalleeeeeeee! Hee hee! *snort* *snort*”
In fact, I would go so far as to say Jaleel White was what made Sonic embarassing while Sonic was cool.
As long as Modern Sonic speaks, I’m ok with C.Sonic being mute.
Sega is admitting that they got whiny brats. Sonic is better off left alone, rather then fans making a big deal over eye color and pot belly. I find it disappointing that I have entered a fanbase like this, especially the fact that sonic is a cool character, and it turns out that a cool character gets the shit. People are 20+ years old and complaining about eye color. To be honest and saying this with sadness, I should have stuck with Mario. I don’t think sega is the problem behind bad sonic games anymore, It’s the fans or I should say fanbrats bitching over stupid shit to come back in the series when that has nothing to do with a game being good. Someone will find something to bitch about. Watch! Jeleel white is not voicing young sonic in the game and sega will have to get him Back soon enough. Right now, I feel sonic needs a rest from the fanbase. They are really complaining overthings that don’t matter. If the gameplay is bad they will go ahead and complain about the grass not being green, that’s an example of the pointless things they complain about. Tristan Oliver, I am so glad your not one of them. You seem independent like me in this case.
Classic Sonic should talk, but I think only if if Jaleel White makes his voice… I don’t care…
SEGA/SONICTEAM you decide I trust you like I always did
I kinda wanted Classic Sonic to talk for comedic value (i.e. making fun of older sonic), but if they wouldn’t have gotten White to do it, we’d get an earful from those voice tards again
I like them having Classic Sonic go the way of the silent protagonist. Like a few others said, actions speak louder than words and, if the trailer’s any indication, those actions’ll do the trick.
And I’m sure Modern Sonic’ll talk – I did hear his voice in the trailers.
Pssh. I don’t want Classic Sonic to talk… well I mean I do so he can talk… but I don’t him to talk cuz there’s no one who can do a voice for him unless they make up one.
I don’t want Jaleel White to voice him. In case you people have forgotten, HE DIDN’T VOICE IN THE GAMES! SEGA has nothing to do with Jaleel White. Looking at classic Sonic, Jaleel’s voice doesn’t even fit. Classic Sonic’s expressions are more laid back than any of the Sonic’s Jaleel voiced. Jaleel voiced a very childish personality of Sonic who was immature and cocky. In the games, that wouldn’t really make Classic Sonic look any better than Modern Sonic.
And why would Classic Sonic make fun of his older self? It’s himself. At most I can picture Modern Sonic making fun of Classic Sonic only BECAUSE he doesn’t talk and would make it like a game of charades to communicate with him. XD But that’s only with communication. Everything else doesn’t really require him to talk.
Oh well. =P I think whatever they’re doing is gold. I mean, I know some people have a problem with Sonic Unleashed gameplay over Colors, but I like both so to me it’ll win either way. =D
Looks like Tails needs to get his Miles Electric device out again. Forget translating Wisp noises, now he’s gotta devise a program that can work out gestures. =D
why man why?! (how about jaleel white will be the voice of classic sonic, THIS TIME IN CUTSCENES!!!)
Well, by not having him talk you do cut out some interesting things, such as simply having a conversation between modern and classic sonic. But ultimately I think it’s for the best–we’re all used to modern sonic having a voice, but in game we’ve basically never had a voice for classic sonic–giving him one would ruin what our own imaginations have built up over the years. And sometimes is best (actually many times) to just to leave things up the gamer’s imagination–it helps give a more personal experience. Everyone will have their own vision of how classic sonic talks and sounds, and no one’s will be right or wrong.
Other characters are appearing, and if we’ll see their classic renditions, I’m guessing then that they won’t talk either. This means all the dialogue will come from the modern cast. I’m just hoping that that won’t mean they dominate the story, with classic sonic and/or pals being on the sidelines, or just there and not really making an impact or being involved in decision making, etc.
I mean, there’s A TON you can do with a silent character, and like I said, sometimes it works best–body language is a big part of communication as well as talking. Just look at Nintendo, as we often do: most of their core characters are silent. So Sega has made a very interesting decision, and I think a good one–hopefully they’ll pull it off.
I completely expect people to still complain about the physics (which is completely ok in my book), if those are not nailed 100%.
Nevertheless, I hope the retro crowd (and I include myself in this group) are as excited as I am with these news. The fact that Sega may indeed be listening to their fans and making adjustments, imperfect as they may be in the end product, is really cool.
On a less technical note, I really love the 3D classic Sonic and the gameplay itself looks really sweet. About the gameplay for modern Sonic, while I really don’t like that style of gameplay specifically, I think it would be amazing to have that kind of camera and speed for the special stages. Getting the Chaos Emeralds, let’s admit, has always been a pain in the ass challenge, and it could be changed to that mode instead. Just my 2c.
why not have the voice from Sonic The Movie
Please, bring back Jason Griffith. He was by far the best Sonic voice ever! Well, in English, that is. Jun’ichi Kanemaru is the best ever.
Yeah, I might be in the minority, but I don’t really think Jaleel White’s version of Sonic and the game universe’s Sonic would mesh well together. I mean the Satam series and the games have a slightly different atmosphere. I enjoy both, but I don’t know, I guess I’m just saying I’d have to see it for myself. Although I do like the idea of classic Sonic being mute. Link has pretty much been that way since the beginning and worked well for that character so I don’t mind. I do wonder how they’ll interact with the modern characters, but I guess we’ll just have to wait until its released to find out.
Classic sonic should be kept silent for us Classic sonic fans and Modern Sonic should talk for those modern sonic fans, dont try to push classic or Modern stuff on each other and everything will be ok between the two fans.
I think Classic sonic should be mute. Sega has little to nothing to do with the development of the American cartoons that starred Jaleel White, and even when he reprised his role in the SaTAM fan movie, didn’t the fans say that he lost his touch?
As long as C. Sonic still grunts and what not when he get’s hit, his silence is fine with me.
I hope his actions aren’t too “mickey mouse cartoony” with the squishing and squashing animation..
God, I really can’t believe what I’m reading here. When the trailer came out, everyone was saying “Classic Sonic better not talk! If he does, this game will suck!” And now that it’s been confirmed that he won’t talk, everyone suddenly wants him to. Seriously, can you guys be pleased with ANYTHING???!!!
trivial complaints, thats all I hear…. im 24 and have been a fan from the start, and im not a conservative asshole who despises change, look around you people, what do you see? a world of unending change. Honestly, when the first Sonic Adventure came around with a sonic remodel, i was digging it, I siad “Hey sonics growing up just like me!” and when SA2 came out I thought he got even cooler, with the epic storylines, and not to mention the epic crush 40, Sega completely had our hedgehog dialed in, and even then you classic fans who couldnt afford a new system stuck to your genesis while your friends relished in the adventure series and thus compelled you to hate the more serious and matured incarnation of Sonic. plus the remodel lives up to the ‘Tude of the original classic sonic but in a greater fashion. I mean how bad ass is a sonic that looks like a cute pot bellied stuffed animal? dont get me wrong, cuz I love both, but at the end of the day, they are both sonic the hedgehog. And your endless seas of petty complaints isnt goin to erase the grown and updated version of sonic. Sonic grew up, its not sega’s nor sonic teams fault that you didnt.