In HD, courtesy of Gameswelt
Special thanks goes out to Jakeiiii for this news tip pointing us to a Youtube video of Chemical Plant Zone in Sonic Generations. The video shows us our first look at both the Classic and Modern versions of the stage. Despite the poster’s claim that this is “exclusive” footage, it appears to be taken from German game website Gameswelt, and you can view their direct feed footage below:
(Can’t see the video? Click here)
As you’ll no doubt see, the video also contains a look at both versions of City Escape, providing a different peek at Classic Sonic’s version of the stage. Also – it may just be me – but it sounds like they’ve also changed Sonic’s Japanese voice actor. What do you guys think?
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@omachipthewisp96
Didn’t you already post that in another article?
@ChaoticFox
You can’t really say that I don’t know what I’m talking about and then claim I have bad taste just cuz I have a different opinion than you and NOT sound unintelligent. =.=
What’s to stop me from thinking YOU have bad taste in music? I wouldn’t say something that pathetically stupid just because you like different music, which you don’t, as we BOTH stated we pretty much liked the same thing. I just think it’s silly that while some games in the past have had one style and others have had a different style, suddenly ppl are throwing a fit that this game happens to have one of those styles again just because the past couple of games haven’t. Especially when we’ve only heard the music for 3 out of 9 stages.
From that, it seems more like what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense. you’re talking about how the music in Unleashed and Colors have “more instruments”. But how is that more diverse if EVERY STAGE is like that? It’s not like less instruments is actually worse. Some music sounds better that way. Otherwise it’s just being too much. The reason I don’t favor the music in Unleashed and Colors is because their music just doesn’t stand out, possibly because every stage feels like the music is the exact same just a different song. In the Adventure series it didn’t. I also don’t see what’s wrong with me suggesting it’d be better to have a game that had both Adventure styled AND Unleashed/Colors styled music in it. That’s even MORE diverse. How the hell does THAT not make sense?
Time to call the fire department. This could get ugly.
@ChaoticFox
My comment didn’t post so if it eventually shows up as a double-post, my bad. >.>
Anyhoo, was gonna say I think we might be having 2 different conversations here.
I’m not sure if I’m right but I think you’re only referring to individual tracks being more diverse as in having more intstruments in them, while I’m referring to the sountrack as a whole being not so diverse as to me all the tracks sound too much alike with each other.
For example. I don’t really feel like Apotos Day, Mazuri Day or Spagonia Day are all that different from each other besides a few instruments here and there and being a different song. Otherwise they sound really similar to me, while in Sonic Adventure At Dawn, Red Mountain part 2 and Lost World sound nothing alike. o3o
If my guess is right, then perhaps you wanted Chemical Plant to sound like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9R6WPhCCws&t=44s
Hm, well I remembered it having more instruments than it actually does but whatever. Hopefully I’m at least on the right track. XD
@Amuro
Don’t be silly. I don’t actually WANT there to be a flame war, and, at least as a guess, I don’t think ChaoticFox is the type to want one either. xD
@Foxboy
I’m not saying your taste is bad because it’s different, I’m saying that it was just easier for me to assume that you don’t know what you’re talking about than to try and understand your incomprehensible logic. Some of the things you said in your first post regarding certain soundtracks either made very little sense or were outright WRONG, so the whole thing was just too baffling to deal with.
But moving beyond that, let’s talk about your NEW posts.
Now, for starters, having a variety of instruments does, in fact, AUTOMATICALLY allow for more diversity. Even if every song uses all the same instruments, if you have a song being played on 10 instruments versus 3, those tracks will STILL be more diverse than tracks with fewer instruments. That’s just a fact. Even if the orchestral tone remains the same throughout the soundtrack, orchestrated music allows for a wider range of sounds (aka. the definition of diversity) than regular rock music does.
I can’t even begin to understand how you could think the Unleashed or Colors soundtracks have no (or less) variety, ESPECIALLY when compared to the Adventure style music where the majority of the soundtrack has an even more similar “sound/theme” (one which is much less diverse than the overall themes of the other two OSTs in question).
Sure, there are certainly exceptions (like Lost World, even though that song is incredibly boring) but the overall rock STYLE used for most of the Adventure music is probably the LEAST diverse in the entire series. It’s not BAD… but it does have the potential to get old. I’m not saying Generations shouldn’t have any Jun Senoue guitar riffs, I’m just saying that I would hope/prefer to see other styles of music for different stages (where appropriate) as well.
The funny thing about all this is, I’m not even really talking about the instruments. I just think the people responsible for the Unleashed and Colors soundtracks are substantially better composers than Jun Senoue. I prefer the way they WRITE music to the way Jun does, and their knowledge of/ability to utilize additional instruments just adds to it. They can do rockin’ guitars, but they have shown the ability to add more on top of that to create something even more spectacular than just a simple “rock mix”.
Anyway, this has nothing to do with my original point in all this. What I’ve been trying to say since the beginning is that I was hoping for more substantial remixes for the modern music… something with a more original arrangement than just playing the same exact song with a guitar instead of a sound chip. I’ll have to hear more of the Chemical Plant mix before I make my judgement there, but I really do dislike the GHZ remix. In addition to being nothing more than a rock cover, the guitar (while fitting for Modern Sonic’s playstyle) totally rapes the spirit of original melody, because the original song always seemed so… peaceful to me.
Of course, that’s is just my personal opinion (as is my distaste for simple rock music).
@ChaoticFox
Just becuase you don’t understand it doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense. You could at least say “doesn’t make sense to me”.
And there is no such thing as right or wrong when talking about an opinion. If you’re referring to something I said that wasn’t an opinion then in WASN’T wrong. I think we just minunderstood each other and that’s why you don’t think it makes sense and why you think it’s wrong. You know, the whole “two different wavelinks” thing?
Well “if the orchestral tone remains the same throughout the soundtrack” it’s not diverse enough for me. It’s repetitive. Hence the words “the same throughout”. I want a soundtrack that ISN’T the same throughout a game. I don’t mind if it’s the same throughout cuz the music’s still good, I just think it’s better when it’s not. That’s what I personally call “diverse”, cuz it’s “different” throughout. 030
You: “I can’t even begin to understand how you could think the Unleashed or Colors soundtracks have no (or less) variety, ESPECIALLY when compared to the Adventure style music where the majority of the soundtrack has an even more similar “sound/theme” (one which is much less diverse than the overall themes of the other two OSTs in question).”
Me: “I don’t really feel like Apotos Day, Mazuri Day or Spagonia Day are all that different from each other besides a few instruments here and there and being a different song. Otherwise they sound really similar to me, while in Sonic Adventure At Dawn, Red Mountain part 2 and Lost World sound nothing alike. o3o”
Listen to the tracks and you should understand.
Well Sky Sanctuary’s music is incredibly boring too, but to some it’s still entertaining cuz it’s what they like. Boring is an opinion. It doesn’t need to be super excited and cheery to be good.
Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 weren’t just simple rock mix. And Jun works on most of the msuic for most of the Sonic games including Sonic Colors where he even directs the music. XD He also did some music for Sonic 3 & Knuckles and recently Sonic 4 which some disliked but others liked. And while some disliked it for the instruments, the instruments WEREN’T “just rock mix” or even rock at all. lol
The Modern remixes are called Modern remixes cuz they modernize the song. That’s what you should expect. If you want a typical remix, look on the internet or special soundtracks that include remixes. =P But me personally, I just like the Modern Remixes because they sound good. I’m sure I’ve found many other GHZ remixes of many different styles that I’ve also liked. It’s still GHZ, it gives off it’s own vibe some of the other remixes don’t, and I like that vibe in addition to the ones the other remixes give off. Your words make it sound like you don’t dislike the remix because it soudns bad but rather simply because it isn’t in the style you were hoping for. This is why they say “don’t get your hopes up”. xD Well I think anyways.
I agree with you completely that when a game doesn’t have a similar theme or tone throughout, the music will end up more diverse. That is completely accurate.
Here’s where we seem to be running into a problem:
Orchestra = more diverse than rock, always. Hands down fact. You say you have a problem with an overall style for game soundtracks, which I can appreciate, but then you try to tell me that the Adventure games either don’t have one, or that the one they have is more diverse than the soundtracks to Unleashed and Colors.
I don’t care which style you prefer, but saying that Adventure rock is more diverse than the Unleashed orchestrations is an outright bullshit lie, and you’re either insane or deaf to believe such a thing. This isn’t a matter of opinion, this isn’t a matter of which one you prefer or which is better – this is about the straight up FACT that the Adventure series, regardless of how much a person LIKES the music, does NOT have more variety or diversity in its tracks than either of the other two games we’re talking about. Yes there are exceptions in BOTH cases, but the Adventure games (esp. SA2) have a lot less of them.
Regarding the six track comparison you made, that’s totally bullshit and unfair (and in my personal opinion, completely untrue regarding the Unleashed tracks), as you could turn the tables EASILY by picking different tracks from each game. You could have selected three of the more obviously diverse tracks from Unleashed and three of the more same-y tracks from Adventure (and believe me, there are many!). Your random assortment of tracks proves nothing other than that you’re trying too hard to prove a point that isn’t there by being narrow-mindedly selective.
Also, Jun had absolutely nothing to do with the Colors OST. Get your facts straight, kthnx.
I know what modernization means. But a modernization doesn’t HAVE to be a strict recreation of the same song with modern instruments (and even if it did, that just brings up the same old point that an orchestra would easily offer more variety than Jun’s typical style).
As for GHZ, I simply don’t like the sound of it and yes, that is just my opinion. It’s not terribly grating on the ears, but it’s not even close to the best GHZ remix I’ve ever heard. Sue me for “getting my hopes up”, lol.
@Omachipthewisp96 those new added levels would be great for DLC in this game. Hopefully Sega adds DLC to this game(besides that Casino night zone pinball game) like they did with Sonic Unleashed
All the stages so far look absolutely stunning but the Music…. IMHO Generations is shaping up to be the worst Sonic OST to dated. But it’s alright. Gameplay first Music second…
;D
I hate the Generations OST so far… IMO
The remixes go from mediocre at best.
Colors Black Knight and Unleashed are MY favorite OSTs to date
@ChaoticFox
I agree with everything you just said. . .
Unleashed probably had my favorite Sonic soundtrack out of any of the modern games. 2006 comes in second, then Colors, Heroes, SA1, SA2 in that order.
Personally, I love the modern Chemical Plant remix. The only remix I’ve heard that I really liked so far. People say it sounds slow, but it sounds more dramatic to me. I also feel that if any track were to take the louder approach of an electric guitar that this would be. I think it fits the mood of the stage really well.
At first I was really excited about the Green Hill remix, because I thought the kind of ska-ey sound was a great fit, but the more I listened to it the more I felt like the tempo just sounded… messy?
I think we’ll have to wait and see what happens with tracks like Sky Sanctuary and the piano of Planet Wisp. And even the strings on Crisis City. God help him if he ruins Planet Wisp. Among my favorite level music ever.
My favorite Sonic soundtrack is the Adventure 1 OST. Hands down/
I love how SonicTeam Is finally doing a game for the fans but yet, everyone likes to net pick, seriously It’s amazing I can’t believe there are still people who say ” IT SUCKS” that’s worse then IGN right there. I hate this fanbase sometimes. But sometimes I love it half to death but this is not one of those times.
@BlueHedgehog
Every game they make should be for the fans. They’re a video game company trying to sell us something. They have no reason not to EVER make something meant to please their fans.
With that being said, SONIC TEAM IS NOT GIVING US A GIFT. They are creating a product that they are trying to sell… We are consumers, not beneficiaries of Sega’s generosity. We’re not supposed to shut up and be thankful every time Sega releases a game (no matter how much nostalgia they try to evoke) – Sega is supposed to be thankful for US, because without us they are nothing.
People are always going to nitpick. It’s human nature, especially when it comes to media. Everyone has different tastes and standards. You can’t please everyone 100% all the time.
@ChaoticFox: “You can’t please everyone 100% all the time.” Quoted for truth.
Colors is my favorite Sonic Soundtrack to date. Unleashed is second, and 06 comes third. Generation’s soundtrack so far is Mediocre and uncreavity compared to pasted OSTs. Jun better step up this game . . .