Old School Sonic Won’t Speak; Will he Become a Werehog?
There is good news and, for some, potentially bad news to come out of Sonic Generations preview posted by Kotaku’s Michael McWhertor today.
As has been reported elsewhere, Takashi Iizuka was made available for interviews during Gamescom this week. In speaking to McWhertor, Iizuka confirmed that classic Sonic would lack a voice in-game, with classic Tails speaking on his behalf. Modern Sonic will be chatting it up still, the Q&A confirms.
But classic Sonic could assume other modern franchise additions. When the Green Hill demo was mined in June, some digging suggested evidence that the classic Werehog could make an appearance. According to McWhertor, with thanks to Iizuka’s vagueness, don’t rule that out:
I asked Iizuka if classic, side-scrolling Sonic would be able to enjoy the superpowers of a game like Sonic Colors or Sonic Unleashed. Would he turn into a drill or a laser or a werewolf (or “werehog,” if you must)? Could chubby Sonic use a sword in Generations? Iizuka would neither confirm nor deny that classic Sonic’s skills would expand beyond spin dashing and jumping, but it sure sounds like a possibility.
For reference, McWhertor was demoed the recently revealed Rooftop Run stage–confirming at least one additional stage is being shown behind closed doors–but did not elaborate further on its contents.
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@Tommy
They’d pretty much HAVE to revive alternate timelines if the two versions of Sonic were going to exist simultaneously without making a colossal freaking plot hole/paradox. Hell, now that I think about it, I wonder how/why there are only TWO Sonics… one would almost expect to run into a new Sonic for every single location on the timeline, particularly the ones for key events like Perfect Chaos/Crisis City.
All this time travel business is starting to make me a little uneasy. Time travel always makes for nonsensical convoluted plotlines filled with inconsistent logic and boatloads of plot holes.
Sonic 2006 is the ONLY reason the time-travel story is making me feel slightly worried.
I’m going to go out on a limb here and assume none of it’s going to make any kind of “sense” because it’s a goddamn Sonic the Hedgehog game.
@X
What kind of excuse is that? Just because Sonic is a cartoon character targeted at kids doesn’t excuse bad writing. If they’re going to include a story, they should at least TRY to make it coherent enough to make sense within its own universe. If you can’t do that, you shouldn’t be including storylines in the first place.
@Sonichedgehog – I’m a little confused about Silver. Why do we need the Flames of Disaster to have Silver in the game? And Silver lives in the future?! Then how did he meet up with Sonic the first time? So after the flame was put out, its like NOTHING ever happened, correct? Doesn’t that mean Silver should be in the present, just like Sonic and everyone else? Please explain this to me!
Oh well, we will just have to wait and play the game, and see what Silver is like haha. He probably might not remember Sonic though, and then you fight him, and then Sonic will probably explain everything, lol. I don’t really care what happens, as long as Sonic and Silver are friends 
Again pleaassee explain me about what I just said up top 
@ChaoticFox
That’s because you’re taking it too seriously. XD When the plot does make sense, ppl get confused and when it doesn’t it’s because no one is supposed to care. XD Besides they’re only going to one stage in each game. Just because they go to Sonic 2 doesn’t mean they’ll run into the Sonic 2 Sonic and Tails. It’s like why is there no Adventure Sonic? Or my logic earlier about how there’d be 3 Sonics each stage, Modern, Classic and the third Sonic being each Sonic they meet each level. (If it inlcuded Aventure Sonic it’d be 4 tho)
But almost NO time-travel plot really makes sense because people have set the fictional logic that in time travel all you gotta do is teleport to the past or future and the past or future will be exactly the same as it was if you hadn’t travelled there. But when you travel to the past or future you create a loop. Sometimes they show this, but they don’t explain how this possibly means that there are an endless amount of parallel dimensions only in the category of time where in each dimension it’s exactly the same. You can’t create or destroy matter and energy, so in order to go to the past and meet yourself, one of you must have appeared out of thin air. That would be the one who travelled. “Travel” is litterally what would have happened then. The traveller’s physical self would have been transfered to the parallel world’s past, which is exactly like the traveller’s own past only the traveller will be able to SEE his past self instead of BE his past self.
It’s sort’ve like how ppl portray time stop as everything stopping except the user. But if the user stops time and then counts to 10, then from the user’s perspective 10 seconds HAVE passed and time has not really stopped, just motion that is not directled connected to the user. To truely stop time one would then stop his or her own self as well, and thus time would technically “end”. o.o
ANYHOO, the point is fiction doesn’t try to get into logical detail about this because it makes it difficult to create the entertaining plots they’re aiming to create and it ends up being too confusing for most people. Also since it’s not really possible for anyone to currently test out, technically all of the logic behind time travel is theoretical. :3
So don’t worry about it and just enjoy the game. Don’t be so negative. XD
@FoxBoy: It doesn’t matter if its fiction or not. In the realm of its own insanity, the Sonic series should make some amount of sense.
I’m still gonna enjoy the fuck outta Generations, but I’m just saying.
@Foxboy
That’s my point. Time travel storylines have a tendency to suck. That’s why I’m hoping for more of an alternate reality thing, since that’ll make it easier to write off any plot holes related to single reality time travel.
Sorry, but LOGIC is what entertains me. I’m not very good at excusing bad writing because time travel is a “cool” gimmick.
I plan to enjoy the game, and I’m sure the story will at least be tolerable… I just hope they ATTEMPT to make use of somewhat intelligent writing. “It doesn’t have to make sense, it’s a game!” is a fucking retarded notion, and any professional writer that uses a cop-out like that should be fired and shot.
Foxboy u just killed my brain… Had to read it twice to understand… I still don’t understand it 100%…
@sonichedgehog
That doesn’t make sense. This is an entirely different game with a different plot, different tone and includes many other awesome Sonic games. It’s also not going back and forth. It goes from beginning to end. And the writers are the same as from Colors, not from Sonic 06. Sonic 06′s story wasn’t the best but it was nowhere near the worst either nor did it have anything to do with what made Sonic 06 go down the drain. =P So don’t worry about it. That’s like saying, if you ever saw Back To The Future before, that you’d worry about that too. xD
@ChaoticFox
Your response to X would suggest they just not make Sonic Generations at all! DX Don’t do that! And it is an excuse. It’s like how they don’t have any logic on the placement of Sonic’s mouth or how he moves so fast, how Tails can keep his 2 tails spinning endlessly (well til he gets tired).
@Ricardo
We don’t need the Flames of Disaster for Silver to be in the series. His birth has nothing to do with the that. He was born in the future tho and so his time is still the future, with or without Iblis. So Silver would still be in the future, not the present. He meets Sonic in a different way than in 06, just like everyone else. (It’s just that Silver and Blaze are the only ones we see meet Sonic the 06 way.) In Sonic Generations, Silver will think Sonic is the Iblis Trigger simply because that’s how it happened in Sonic 06, and Sonic 06 is a game in Sonic History. By that I mean Sonic 06 was released in 2006, and thus is part of the history if games that were released. That’s the only release it’s included in Sonic Generations. (Otherwise it’d be distant past, less distant past, past, less past, even less past, distant future, near-past, yesterday, present. XDD)
@FoxBoy:
1) What, no response to me?
2) That whole “It’s just a game, it doesn’t have to make sense” isn’t a good excuse when it comes to certain things, like time travel. As I said, Sonic has to make some sense in the realm of its own insanity. Sonic moves fast because that’s his thing; he’s called SONIC the Hedgehog for a reason. Tails gets tired after he uses his tails to fly. Sonic’s mouth… I have no explanation for that. But when it comes to a story that’s been going on as long as Sonic has, the “It’s just a game” excuse doesn’t hold water.
212 COMMENTS? GOOD GOD PEOPLE.
@Amuro
It does make some form of sense… just not completely. XD I mean, it makes sense in the idea that: Sonic goes to the past, sees his past self, and visits multiple spots throughout his history up to the present. Just that’s where it ends. The concept of this game in general, with Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic, is illogical. Logically, if Sonic went to the past and saw his past self, he should look almost exactly the same. But he is “Classic Sonic”. In Sonic’s eyes, there should be no such thing as a “Classic Self”. It’s just an anniversary gift. (Sort’ve like in Turtles Forever if they destroy Turtle Prime it erases all the other Turtles universes cuz it is the original continuity that the others sprouted from. BUT, that doesn’t make sense because it then suggests that the 4 turtles are the only things keeping the universe in existence, and from their perspective that’s kinda silly. xD)
@ChaoticFox
You don’t like Back To The Future? o.o
Well, hopefully my time-travel stories don’t suck. XD Actually my stories don’t really have to do with time-travel, it just has time travel IN it. But I’ve stuck with logic behind the time-travel so I guess my stories deal with some philosophy. o-o
But yeah, all I can say is try not to think about it too much and just enjoy the game. It’s complicated enough as it is to write the damn things. XD
@Shan the hedgehog
XD lol That’s exactly my point. I didn’t even completely explain the whole thing but I knew I’d already written too much for most ppl to understand because it requires too much detailed thought. (For some it might require visual demonstration even. o.o)
Just don’t worry about it. XP
@Ricardo
The explanation for your questions are here:
Why do we need the Flames of Disaster to have Silver?
This only applies if the Silver in the game, was the Silver from Sonic 2006. Not the present day Silver. Why do we need the Flames though? If the Flames never existed, Iblis wouldn’t have existed either, and neither would the concept of the “Iblis Trigger”. Silver would then have no reason to hunt down Sonic unless for some reason it’s the present day Silver who for some reason, decides to hate Sonic.
Silver lives in the future?
When the Flames were put out, the events were removed, but NOT the locations. (See why two questions down). So that means that the fact that Silver lives in the future remains unchanged.
How did he meet Sonic the first time?
In 2006? He time traveled to defeat him. It was never said that he lived in the present or anything. In Rivals? Rivals is a spinoff of the handheld games it won’t affect Generations 3DS or the HD Generations.
After the Flames were put out, it’s like nothing happened right?
The Flames only removed the events. The locations still exist. Why? After the Flames were put out, the ending of the game happened. Sonic was in Soleanna, which means that Soleanna still exists. Which in turn makes New City and the Forest exist as well. New City is the past version of Crisis City, and if that exists, so does Crisis City…except that it’s not Crisis City, but the peaceful place that’s Silver’s home right now.
Doesn’t that mean that Silver should be in the present now like Sonic and everybody else?
No. See the above question.
That’s why we need the Flames of Disaster for Crisis City and maybe Silver to make sense in the story. (Maybe Silver, in case if for some odd reason, the Silver boss is the present day Silver who for some reason hates Sonic).
Anyway, sorry about the long post, just wanted to point out what I think of the Silver/Crisis City situation.
@FoxBoy
Then Hunter’s theory is the only way that I can see Silver or Shadow fighting Sonic.
@FoxBoy
Silver appearing in the game still doesn’t make sense to me if we don’t have the flames….T.T
Unless it’s present-day Silver…that would make things easier. xD
@Amuro
Sorry I didn’t see your responses yet til I posted that first one. I left for a bit and forgot to post. XDD
And I’m not GIVING you an excuse. I’m telling you that it can’t be helped and this is how you should see it in order to keep yourself from flipping out, because there isn’t really a good way around it without ruining all the potential fun of the concept. The concept doesn’t make sense and they can’t present the concept without scrapping some logic. (And technically it IS a good excuse because no one said it HAD to make sense. It’s NOT real so it doesn’t HAVE to be realistic if they don’t want it to. xD)
Sonic’s mouth was in place in SA1, SA2, Heroes, Shadow The Hedgehog, Riders, Zero Gravity and Sonic 06. (Tho in select games the CGI hasn’t always placed it correctly. XD) And when I include SA1 I include it loosely… cuz his mouth was all sorts of messed up in that game. XD
Besides, like I said, there is SOME logic to the game. I COULD explain how it makes complete sense but I guaratee that the writers probably didn’t think of it while writing the game. XD If I do, it might be confusing. idk. xD
@FoxBoy
Sonic’s mouth was hilarious in SA1. xD
(ex. “WHOA! A Chaos Emerald!).
@Ricardo & sonichedgehog
Ohhh I thought you meant Silver in the series at all. You meant in Sonic Generations? Then yeah we’d need the Flames of Disaster because that’s why he’s there in Sonic 06, and that’s what we’re visiting. Actually, we also need the flames of Disaster because that’s why we went to Crisis City and why it’s on fire. XD It’s also why Silver thinks Sonic’s the Iblis Trigger. XD
@ChaoticFox
I didn’t say it was an excuse, I said it was a reason.
Regardless, there’s a certain suspension of disbelief that has to happen in order to process a time travel story. It’s an entirely illogical situation. If logic is what entertains you, you might want to check out at the title screen, because I can’t for a minute expect Sonic Team to wax philosophical about the can or can’ts of time travel. I’m expecting them to see a portal, and hop into it, and not think about it too much.
Personally, good dialogue and character writing is what entertains me. But let’s call a spade a spade. I’m expecting Sonic, not Chrono Trigger.
@FoxBoy
Yeah. Because right now, Crisis City doesn’t exist. It’s still a peaceful, not on fire, city. That’s the only way that I can make any sense of Crisis City being there at all. The Flames being revived again.
@X
I just don’t want this game, especially since it involves time travel, to create plot holes and stuff.
@sonichedgehog
I was wonderign the same thing actually. If you think about it…you’ll being going into the past which is the future…..wooooooaaaaaaaaaaah trippy
Going back to the past…which is the future. So the future is parallel to the present?
Making logic in Sonic games is an…interesting task. xD
@Foxboy
Obviously the Sonic universe is fictional and fantasy-based. I’m not expecting realism from from an anthropomorphic blue hedgehog. I’m expecting GOOD writing. If you’re going to write a story, do it well or not at all. It’s that simple. If they’re going to base the entire PLOT of Generations around time travel, they had better at least TRY to keep it from being paradoxical and filled with flaws. Otherwise, they should just treat it like a non-canonical spin-off game that doesn’t HAVE a story and therefore doesn’t need to make sense.
There doesn’t HAVE to be a story-related reason to include classic Sonic as a playable character, OR a plot explaining why Sonic has to go BACK IN TIME to visit old locations that haven’t been destroyed. Generations doesn’t have to be a story-based game, it could just be a an Anniversary game celebrating the best of Sonic’s history, like Sonic Jam. But since they’ve decided to make it a story-driven game within the main series canon, they should come up with a competent plot. That’s REALLY not too much to ask.
Turtles Forever uses alternate universes rather than time travel, and thus its plot makes sense. It makes sense within it’s own continuity because the Turtles are the centerpiece of the NINJA TURTLES UNIVERSE – the reason it exists at all.
“there isn’t really a good way around it without ruining all the potential fun of the concept.”
Yes there is. It would take some actual THOUGHT and careful planning, but they could pull it off. I’m not saying they CAN’T use time travel, I’m just saying it’s a tough topic to cover. I HOPE they pull it off, but I have my doubts (Sonic 06 doesn’t really help)
@X
The only difference between a reason and an excuse is whether or not the reason provides decent justification, which, in this case, it absolutely does not.
I’m not expecting some sort of brilliant mathematical explanation here… just a story that makes sense without creating obvious plot holes.
@ChaoticFox
Of course. I’m hoping for the same.
Wow, five pages of comments, I think it is a new record.
Wow, I am I guy and I giggled at thinking what cute Classic Tails is going to sound like….:)
The more story a Sonic game has, the worse the game. I’m not in it for the melodrama, i’m in it for the gameplay.
@sonichedgehog
Yeah. To be fair, this particualr game is the one time when we can just say “ahh screw logic and realism” and JUST HAVE FUN WITH IT. I mean, technically, while Sonic going back in time can somewhat make sense a little, it technically doesn’t otherwise he wouldn’t be able to go to Crisis City since, in the way his timeline currently has it, he’s never been there, especially in the future where it’s on fire. But this game is not so much about him going to his past as much as it is the mascot going to his franchise’s past. XD They’re just somewhat mixing that with the plot of the specific game. Like breaking the 4th wall, it makes no sense and is illogical. But it’s excuse is that it’s not real, hence the ability to break the 4th wall. It’s just entertaining. xD He’s not ACTUALLY going back to his past, he’s going back to when they released Sonic 06. They just don’t directly point it out. But they ARE, in fact, breaking the 4th wall by doing so. =P
@ChaoticFox
Well, they haven’t done that in a while in Sonic games so I don’t know why you’d expect that NOW all of a sudden. Especially from the anniversary game which mostly has a focus on Sonic’s history more than the plot itself. That’s what I’m saying. If you’d t ake a minute to stop being setting such a high-standard for a series that doesn’t really fit it, then you won’t have anything to complain about. The “Good writing” is in the plot, not the time travel logic. You can have a completely illogical movie that still has a good story. As far as I can see, Sonic Generations has a brilliant concept, one that they could never pull out if it weren’t the 20th anniversary game. xD
Who said they were treating it as a canon game? For all you know they’re not. Maybe it’s just a like how an anime, TV show or cartoon can have a “Special” only in this case it’s for a game. Maybe the game is just meant to be fun. Maybe the story has to do with why they’re going on the adventure rather than HOW. Did you also complain about how the Hyper Go-On power from the Wisps allowed MIND CONTROL!? Or how Eggman even controlled Tails in the first place by merely shooting a laser at him? Or how it actually depleted like an actual LIQUID even tho it’s supposed to be extreme power and should’ve lasted much longer? No one asked those kind of questions. The “Good writing” comes in the plot, not the logic. Logic isn’t necessary for a plot. Otherwise fantasy stories would all be considered bad for not explaining the philosophy behind the existence of magic. What about those shows where ppl “transform” and get new clothes and weapons? No one cares. XD They just enjoy the show.
True there doesn’t need to be a story for this game. It just helps make the experience more FUN knowing why they’re together, seeing them interact as characters and more.
You can’t say “I want you to add this in detail and make it philosophically make sense but don’t be confusing even though the philosophy of the subject is confusing but don’t abort the idea so that way the game can be fun and stuff. Is that so much to ask???” because the answer would be YES. Yes it is. XD Especially from this game. Maybe not Sonic 06, which tried to be more realistic, but not this one. Have you even stated WHY the plot doesn’t make sense? I mean we haven’t even seen the whole story yet. We really don’t know ANYTHING about it. But you know, I’m not trying to argue with you about it. We’re just talking here right? It’s just a detailed conversation. All I’m saying is IF you view it this way, you won’t be satisfied. I’m just giving you advice on what you might want to do if you want to enjoy avoid feeling unsatisfied by details that don’t really matter. XD
Turtles Forever DOESN’T make sense because there is no explanation as to WHY the Turtles are the centerpiece of their universe. Of course they are to US, because we’re real and they’re the main characters of the fictional world. BUT, from their point of view, the Turtles are just random mutants who happened to help each other. That shouldn’t mean that they are what holds the universe together. That means a random kid in their world would be like “I heard there were these giant mutant turtles in New York. I don’t know if it’s true, but supposedly if they stop existing, everything will stop existing.” But the fact that they are the centerpiece of their fictional world is breaking the 4th wall pointing out that they know they’re the main characters of a fictional world, technically. And in this case the same is being applied. Sonic is able to go back in time and meet a Classic version of himself because he is actually going back in time through his franchise’s history meeting the retro style of himself, which breaks the 4th wall. It’s as plain and simple as that. =P You’re just thinking of it as if it didn’t break the 4th wall too much, but the concept of the entire game DOES. o3o
@Gooch
But but but I like Sonic Adventure and Sonic Adventure 2 MORE than Sonic Heroes and Sonic Unleashed! Don’t tell me that they’re worse than Heroes and Unleashed. DX
SHIT IS GOING DOWN HERE. O_O
@superskeetospro
Detailed talking yes. Care to join!? =w=
At least til something new is revealled. XD
I seriously can’t believe I’m having this discussion.
If this game is more about Sonic’s history than the plot itself, then WHY EVEN GIVE IT A PLOT?? It doesn’t NEED one. It’s not like the fans will revolt if the game is just some sort of “best of” compilation and not a grandiose time-traveling narrative. You could still have cutscenes and character interaction without bothering to explain anything or creating a plot-convenient boss/character like “Time Eater”. But that’s not really relevant, because they’ve decided to go ahead with that plan.
It’s not an unrealistically high standard to ask that the writers take HALF A FUCKING SECOND to think about the story they’re constructing and write it in such a way that it doesn’t trip all over itself with canonical inconsistencies. Seriously. It’s a writer’s JOB to make sure stuff like that doesn’t happen… and if he can’t, he should write a different story.
I’m not even going to address the points you brought up regarding Colors because they are so retarded and completely irrelevant. Suffice to say, there’s nothing illogical about any of that – none of it creates holes or contradictions within the story, it’s all just inadequately explained. which is perfectly reasonable because it’s not important (or even interesting) information.
It seems like you’re completely missing my point. I’m not saying that the time travel has to be perfectly scientifically and philosophically explained. I never expected the series to explain to me how Robotnik somehow manages to put animals into robots, that shit’s not important. I’m perfectly content with magical time portals or some other plot-convenient bullshit. I’m just saying that if you’re gonna go back in time and revisit certain characters and locations, those interactions should make some amount of sense. Eg. when going back to face Perfect Chaos, where is the original Sonic that would have been facing him at that point in time? …Don’t even attempt to answer that for me, because I REALLY don’t want your opinion on the subject. I will wait to see how ST handles it.
Also, what the FUCK are you talking about? I never once said the plot didn’t make any sense. I just said that I’m hoping that it DOES. I don’t know jack shit about the plot yet, and I’m not criticizing anything (other than the fact that they completely neglected the Little Planet/Time Stones for a plot involving Time Travel), just expressing my desire for competent writing, which, again, is a perfectly reasonable expectation.
As for what matters and what doesn’t… that’s kind of up to the individual. I decide what matters to me, and I’m not going to change or lower my standards just for Sega’s sake. I’m sure that even if the story is utter shit, I will still enjoy Generations, because a) Sonic doesn’t NEED a story, and b) Story is the absolute least important aspect of a game like this. I’m not ruining my experience by expecting Sonic Team to deliver a quality story.
Turtles Forever makes sense because it’s intentionally meta. I’m not even gonna bother going into that any further.
I don’t have a problem with Generations breaking the fourth wall. I don’t have a problem with Sonic meeting his past self. None of that bothers me. I just hope they write the story in such a way that it stands relatively solidly without collapsing in a heap of its own inconsistent logic just because “hey, it was a cool idea… just not cool enough to be thought through”.
There are actually two versions of the EggDragoon… One in the opening of Unleashed, then 2.0 that fights the Werehog. And the Shadow fight might be their first encounter after City Escape in SA2B. But those are just what I think might happen. And maybe the Time Eater can view all the timelines and knows what happened in 06.
Why is everyone freaking out? I never heard him say the werehog was for sure in the game did you? And if he is for the sake of the history, it wasnt in the trailer of the DAY TIME SPAGONIA stages. IF and i mean IFFFF, the werehog is in it, it will most likely be an act 3 or 1 time boss battle with the dragoon. Although I hope the dragoon fight is sonic running down the center of the earth pipe instead of sitting on a platform fighting it. Anywho, I didnt mind the werehog much, but also we have seen a hefty amount of the game already, so I doubt it will even cause a couple bullets to the head because again IF werehogs are present it will be in there for so little of the time and most likely for history sake. Kinda like the surprise in the sky in spagonia, it may be an easter egg.
@Ricky
Silver met Sonic and rest in Rivals series.
@ChaoticFox
“If this game is more about Sonic’s history than the plot itself, then WHY EVEN GIVE IT A PLOT??”
“It just helps make the experience more FUN knowing why they’re together, seeing them interact as characters and more.”
Dude. They’re in “Broken-4th=Wall Land”. It’s okay for it not to make sense. Seriously. Chill out. XD There’s a plot because there IS a story behind why Sonic travels through his history. It’s NOT “just” a compiliation. It makes the game feel more like an actual game. It’s just that the plot revolves around the franchise’s history and the only way to do that is the illogical way. There’s no logical way to let us play a stage from each mainstream game with both Modern and Classic Sonic unless they make it plotless and they don’t want to do that. Deal with it. x_X
“It’s not an unrealistically high standard to ask that the writers take HALF A FUCKING SECOND to think about the story they’re constructing and write it in such a way that it doesn’t trip all over itself with canonical inconsistencies.”
Yes, it kind’ve is. And I know the “HALF A FUCKING SECOND” thing was just an exaggeration, but 1) again, chill out. 2) You make it sound like it’s supposed to be really easy when it really… isn’t. Present a better plot idea yourself and then we’ll talk about it being easy. (And I’m not joking on that. XD)
“I’m not even going to address the points you brought up regarding Colors because they are so retarded and completely irrelevant”
Man this was just a detailed discussion. But you’ve brought yourself back down to this low again. All you’re doing is throwing insults at me for disagreeing with you. If you disagree, can you at least do it without the “ALL CAPS RAGE” and the “your ideas are retarded, you’re a stuck sh*t” remarks? o0 I mean, you’re not going to adress them because they’re “retarded” but you’re not going to say how they’re “retarded”? Thank you. XD But I don’t see how the hyper go-on power somehow causing mind-control and being able to make the victims do what Eggman wants them to do without Eggman himself having anything to do with what they actually do is ever explained. =P
“when going back to face Perfect Chaos, where is the original Sonic that would have been facing him at that point in time? …Don’t even attempt to answer that for me, because I REALLY don’t want your opinion on the subject. I will wait to see how ST handles it.”
Wow, you didn’t have to make a complete asshole out of yourself to let me know that was a rhetorical question. XD
But I do already know the answer. And I know how Sonic Team will handle it. A little common sense and putting yourself in someone else’s shoes will help you understand what they might do. This is how I’ve predicted many things about Generations before seeing them so far and it hasn’t failed. XD
“Also, what the FUCK are you talking about? I never once said the plot didn’t make any sense. I just said that I’m hoping that it DOES.”
Well that might’ve been clearer to understand if you weren’t so “ALL CAPS RAGE” about it not making sense as if you already disapproved of it. I mean, I got that you were saying that Sonic 06 made you worried about it, it just sounded like you were already having a problem with this game’s story. XD What with some of your examples and your comment about the Time Eater. o: But since I was wrong that was my mistake, so sorry for the misunderstanding. :] (btw, Tris said we didn’t need so much swearing on here, yo! Stop cussing so much over a video game discussion please. :I)
“As for what matters and what doesn’t… that’s kind of up to the individual.” Agreed. =D That’s why I was trying to say I didn’t mean to convince or force any opinio onto you but I’m not always good with words. Sometimes I’m great with words according to a lot of ppl, but not all the time. X) lol
I didn’t mean you’d ruin your experience just that you’d make yourself unsatisfied (with the specific subject you’re unsatisfying yourself with only). I meant like y ou’d be unsatisfied with the story only. Sorry ’bout that. =)
I’m just saying it doesn’t make sense for the Turtles to be what holds the world together. xD The fact that they do is breaking the 4th wall because only WE know that they’re the main characters. The fact that the turtles’ existence hold their world together is just slapping “Hey, this is a fictional world that only exist because the turtles are the main characters and they exist.” in our faces. XD I mean not once did April or KC wonder why their world would be destroyed if the Turtles themselves were but no one else. XD
Well, that last part you spoke up probably woke be a problem even if that were the case. Not many people really care. Like myself. It’s like when Modern Sonic fights Shadow (If it’s Modern Sonic that is), one might wonder why the SA2 Sonic isn’t fighting him. I’m just going to assume because the “broken 4th wall” logic that will apply to this game will suggest that Modern Sonic takes SA2 Sonic’s place while he’s there (merely because Modern Sonic will represent both Adventure Sonic and the 3 versions of Modern Sonic despite gameplay difference merely because all their gameplays were in 3D perspectives. XD) But then again I don’t know how big of a deal this is to you. Is it a frustrating thing to you? A mere annoyance or just a pet peeve? o0
@HyperShadow
Yeah but those aren’t bosses. o_O If they appeared in Generations I’d assume they’d appear as part of a cutscene. None of the gameplay from this game is a 100% original segment, they are all remastered versions of past gameplay segments. That means the stages and bosses will be remakes of past stages and bosses. o.o)
And I’m thinking something at least relatable to that concept on the Time Eater thing, as I feel like the Time Eater probably aims to possibly, whether on purpose or accident, try to destroy or corrupt all of Sonic’s video game history. (Kinda reminds me of in The Simpspons Game where the Simpsons met their low-bit Arcade selves and told them that games now days had way better graphics, then they went to meet the creator of The Simpsons who tossed 2 sheets of paper at them. The sheets of paper turned into Bender and Dr. Zoidberg and they had to fight them. XD It didn’t technically make sense but it was funny. =p Supposedly the villains were trying to destroy all the video games, thus destroying all the videogame characters or something I don’t remember. XD)
@thewafflefactory
Well I guess supposedly it’s less likely he’s there. But if he is there I wouldn’t mind. That’d be cool. More gameplays in one game. Besides the gameplay might’ve been improved and I only recall the main complaints for WereHog being that he was slow and his levels dragged on, but I don’t see how that’d be a problem if he were just there for a boss battle. XD Egg Dragoon was originally fought with WereHog so it’s the only reason I’d see the WereHog would HAVE to be there unless they randomly make it just regular Sonic (Which I guess is possible since Modern Sonic is also playing in 2 Adventure series stages instead of Adventure Sonic himself and his gameplay. lol Plus I guess they’re too similar to change anyways. XD)
wow eggman sure does now how to fuck up time. the time eater is proply the master of time maybe stronger than solaris and knows how to make the 06 story happen again and change this and that but i really cant say anything cuz the story is still unknown right now only clues can till us for right now.
time can be confusing but as the mouths go by it will stat to make sense little by little.
Maybe Sonic Team will pull a fast one and say that someone/something like Mephiles or Solaris ARE new and mysterious, since technically he never met them. Actually in 06 sonic never met mephiles, he never saw his face (i still find that hilarious). If sega would release a damn story trailer already so these wild speculations will stop
The Sonic fandom strikes again. xD
http://i56.tinypic.com/71mli9.jpg
Whew. I feel better.
Wow, and I didn’t even start the argument this time.
So… I see that the main point at the moment that’s being argued has gone from the newly voiced Retro Tails and the Possible “Modern Powers” Retro Sonic to the plot itself…. Okay. Maybe this will go on for just a few too many more comments until we reach the 6 page margin.
And I’m finding myself only agreeing with ChaoticFox in this little debate.
@Greg “The Cat” Longcrier
How is this an argument or a debate? :/ Just because ChaoticFox doesn’t know how to keep himself calm on the internet without being rude doesn’t mean that a detailed discussion is actually an argument. All I did was try to explain to him what he was confused about or give him a perspective he could use to keep himself from being less disappointed based on what SEGA was doing. I was only doing this cuz I thought he had a problem with the storyline, but that was a mistake. So what’s the big deal? >.>
I get it. It’s the Sonic fanbase and arguing, debating and complaining is all you people know. I don’t actually argue very often unless it’s over something really important. But with the Sonic fanbase, I had no position in the Sonic Voice War but saw so many irrational comments that I began to interact with them in an effort to help both sides see each other’s rationally. It somewhat worked. Since then, most of my “arguing” has just been mere interaction with the fanbase, as in the only way I’ve been able to talk to someone in the fanbase is if they dragged it on into an “argument”, I left and somehow ignored a trigger of my ocd to respond, OR if the person was EXTREMELY friendly. X) lol There’s simply not that many friendly Sonic fans and that’s sad. Like even if you’re being nice, if you disagree, the other person will be completely rude. XP
I also think in detail, so I can see how that plus any interaction with a Sonic fan can seem like an argument. XDDD
Anyhoo, that’s an example of my ocd and thinking in too much detail. XD And, as this is a Sonic site, and I responded to you on here, I hope I’m not triggering anything cuz that was all meant to be a big statement on it’s own, not a conversation. . . Anyhoo, sorry, thank you. X) lol
@FoxBoy
Thanks for the invite. X-D
But a lot has passed. So I wouldn’t know much of anything. O_o
i ain’t a werehog fan, but i draw this http://funkyjeremi.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d40w5i9 a few times ago ^^
@Foxboy: Was it a genuine discussion? My mistake. Looked more like you were debating over points about the storytelling.