We Told You So; First Scans Inside
From news tipster TheManWithPants comes some Japanese magazine scans from Photobucker user The Master Board showing off Sonic Adventure 2‘s Radical Highway in the 3DS version of Sonic Generations.
The scans confirm what we first told you two weeks ago about the stage’s presence in the handheld version. Now will you believe us about the classic homing attack?!
Whether you do or don’t, we do have those scans, taken off-camera, in the gallery below. Thanks again to TheManWithPants for tipping us. If you have news to share, be sure to share it with us by clicking Send News Tips at the top of every page. You can also tip us on Twitter.
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@Knuckles Chaotix
it’s Shadow.
@Renzy
Please look up the definition of troll, you probably think it means someone that disagrees with you and I think a certain someone thinks that what it means too….
@SSJSonicXX14 I don’t really give 2 flying shits if someone disagrees with me, and I certainly don’t care about others opinions either. I called them trolls because they were constantly bugging/nagging Tristan and telling him that he was wrong about Radical Highway and calling him a liar on few other news articles even after he explained himself before. So I think you should take your own advice and look up the definition of troll.
Ophelia
Well I know theres no chance of an Ice stage being a final stage, I dont see why it couldn’t be a second-to-last stage.
After all the consoles penultimate level is Planet Wisp, which is basically a green stage usually kept to the beginning of a Sonic game. Anyway, its definitely the Unleashed stage i’d like to see make it to the 3DS version, with Chun-nan a distant second
Oh man after seeing Shadow at the end of that Dreamcast trailer and seeing these Radical highway scans I have the strongest urge to whip out my Gamecube and play some SA2. Good thing my little cousin is getting the 3DS version, that way I can play both versions
This stage is looking very good. Of course i canno judge it before we see some videos. As for the homing attack for classic Sonic, I think that as long as it is optional it will satisfy both those who like it and those who may not like it.
Oh please guys. If SEGA really were giving retro fans the backhand by giving Classic Sonic the Homing attack, why is it that only the 3DS version of Sonic Generations the only version with Classic Sonic Homing attacking? Oh wait, maybe that’s because DiMPS is developing it.
I also understand that giving Classic Sonic the homing attack only serves to make classic gameplay and modern gameplay more similar to each other, thus causing the game to deviate from its original purpose, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that it makes having Classic Sonic in this game pointless. Believe me when I say that the appearance of Classic Sonic is enough for some of the retro fans.
…utterly pointless. Radical Highway – great, well done. But does the 2D gameplay which will be enforced on it for Classic Sonic really need the homing attack?
I feel totally trolled by Sega right now.
Okay I’m coming from all different sides about this situation on the whole HA on classic Sonic:
Most important question, is it optional? More than likely it’s optional. Watching the tgs trailer, Sonic could target an enemy in the air while still in a ball (no uncurling). The downside to this is the latter levels in the game where Dimps had to create original level layouts. Knowing them they’ll throw in sections where you have to perform the HA.
1. Is an optional HA on classic Sonic GAMEBREAKING!? In the extreme purists eyes…yes. To the more forgiving…it’s no biggie.
2. Was it needed? Absolutely not!
3. Was it wanted? Not to the classic fans (I could see how this can be an unintentional slap in the face from Sonic Team, this is a result of acting without thinking.)
Me being a fan of all eras of Sonic, living through all of them, in my honest opinion the HA on classic Sonic didn’t break me away from playing the game…i’m not gonna lie though, it does sting. Unless it can be turned off…I can’t ignore it…even if I still choose not to use it.
People complaining about the Classic Homing attack again huh? I remember when ppl said “Just don’t use it.” and people backlashed at that comment, arguing that it’s the prinicipal and that they can’t resist the urge if they see the targetting thing. But when I hear that, even tho I also rather Classic Sonic not have the homing attack, can’t help but think “What a buncha babies”.
FoxBoy speaks the truth. Besides, it might be part of the Skill Shop (you know, the store where you BUY MORE MOVES?)
@Jmack
At this point in the game, I think calling anything game-breaking is a gross exaggeration. If you’ve been kept interested after all this time, and something like an additional ability, loathsome as it may be, is going to ruin all the rest of the good things this game is doing right, then your unjustly extreme hatred of all things modern might just be a LIIIIIIITTLE too petty.
@Foxboy
Amen!
When you look at Sonic 1, 2, 3&K, and CD, they all play and feel the same, despite all having varied movesets for Sonic. If they gave classic Sonic the boost I might be a bit pissed off, but for me, the addition of the Homing Attack is far too insignifigant to even get mildly upset over.
@FoxBoy
The issue is that he has it at all, classic Sonic doesn’t need it and he never had the move outside of the homing shield in 3D Blast this is some Star Wars Special Edition style bullshit. To me this is just another bullet point on the growing list I call “Dimps doesn’t understand Classic Sonic gameplay”.
If the move is there from the start and not some secret unlockable you can bet the original stages Dimps makes for the Dreamcast-Modern era will use it heavily with homing attack bridges everywhere just like their last effort at a “original” classic game.
@Sonical
Okay we get it, he doesn’t need it. But he has it and that’s not gonna change.
And like you said, he doesn’t need it. That means YOU don’t need it. Since you don’t need it, then it shouldn’t be in your way and thus shouldn’t be a problem. I don’t know why they gave him the homing attack and I honestly don’t care. Rather than being a baby and throwing a fit I’m just gonna ignore it when I play it unless I feel like trying it out by my own free will SINCE I NOW HAVE THE OPTION. lol
But I get what you’re saying. Because they added the homing attack they don’t understand any of the other stuff that they did that looks exactly like the Classic Gameplay. Logic. It’s EVERYWHERE. lmao
And the 3DS version is being developed by Dimps AND SONIC TEAM.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe they gave Classic Sonic the homing attack purposely FOR the Dreamcast-Modern era? Sure the HD version doesn’t do that but maybe that’s the direction they’re taking on the 3DS version. Classic Sonic can play like the original gameplay of both Classic and Dreamcast eras. When you put it that way it SOUNDS KINDA NEAT! >:I
….is Classic Sonic having the h.a. that important?
@Foxboy
Don’t be a douche. The HA stands in fundamental contrast with the classic style of gameplay which was about precision and momentum.
I don’t care if you like it, I don’t care if you don’t “see what the big deal is”, but lay the fuck off. Other people are entitled to feeling butthurt. You are not at all being “more logical” than anyone else here. Not on this particular subject.
We’re not “babies”. It’s not like we’re crying ourselves to sleep over this. But we have a right to our opinions on what we want and don’t want out of a game, and being disappointed doesn’t make anyone a baby. Don’t be a dick.
Did you ever stop to think that maybe they gave Classic Sonic the homing attack purposely FOR the Dreamcast-Modern era?
That’s cool for modern/all-around fans, but for 3DS owning classic fans, it’s an even BIGGER disappointment, because that means they don’t get a real classic experience AT ALL.
@Gooch
It’s not about the fact that “baw, classic didn’t have this move”. Yes, the older games all had slightly different movesets, but those moves all worked well together and emphasized the elements that make up the classic gameplay style – rolling, momentum, and bouncing physics. The HA negates many of these elements and cheapens the entire effect. Sure, it might be cool/fun if you like it, and that’s good for you, but it absolutely takes away from the classic experience.
Yeah, maybe it’s optional. Yeah, maybe some of us are die-hard purists, but that doesn’t make us wrong. Sega promised us something classic, and the homing attack is a bastardization of everything classic Sonic stands for. It remains to be seen how necessary this move is, but like Jmack says, it does sting a little bit that Sega/Dimps have so little faith in the classic formula that they have to thrown in Iizuka’s beloved homing attack.
“….is Classic Sonic having the h.a. that important?”
yes…
I love all sonic generations. My exclusive problem with sonic generations is only HA.
-Graphics on hd version – awesome – 3ds version – good
-classic physic on hd version – awesome – 3ds version – good
-music on hd version – awesome – 3ds version – awesome
level list – all ok
If you buy a HA in Skill Shop and you can’t turn off sonic classic ha.
This game lose 50% of credibility for me.
@ChaoticFox
Thats fair enough, but I guess it all comes down to how its used, and more importantly, if its something that can be bought as an extra, rather than a necessary skill available from the get go.
Personally, I dont care much either, at least not yet when the facts arent in, and maybe because my excitement for the console version greatly outshines my anticipation for the 3DS one, otherwise I would probably be on the other side of the fence.
I’m only considering this version because the stage selection is so great
@darkgomugomu
You are going to listen to our complaints, and you are going to like them !!!!!
0_0 it feels like something just hit my lower intestines.
@darkgomugomu
No. No it isn’t.
@ChaoticFox
I’m not being a douche. I’m responding to one.
Other people are entitled to being butthurt and I’m entitled to point out that it’s not necessary. I don’t get how your response to me right now is any different than my earlier response. And “Just ignore it” is definately more logical than “It’s their fault we’re picky!”.
“That’s cool for modern/all-around fans, but for 3DS owning classic fans, it’s an even BIGGER disappointment”. Well like I said, “Just ignore it” is much more logical than “It’s their fault we’re picky!”. Because it’s NOT their fault you’re picky. It’s no one’s fault but their own that that they can’t accept that the option is their for more than just THEM. And no, even with homing attack there, there’s no side scrolling, not jumping without homing attack, no classic sound effects, no spindash, no momentum and no rolling whatsoever. You don’t get the Classic experience AT ALL. ANYWHERE. All because the homing attack is there. They really messed that one up huh?
So tell me how come no one is upset that Modern Sonic ONLY has sidescrolling gameplay in the 3DS version? How come very few people are upset that in the console version Classic Sonic can spindash like in the Classic games or Adventure games?
And why the hell do they think it’s okay for them to tell us to stop complaining about them, but it’s not okay for us to tell them to stop complaining about the homing attack? There’s the contradiction.
True, in the end it’s their opinion to hate on it. But we’re just expressing our opinion that their behavior is ridiculous. I couldn’t care less if they were happy with it or not. But if they’re so unhappy over something so little that they’re going to whine about it, it does get annoying. Especially after people have already given legit solutions to the “problem”.
It’s selfish anyways. Sure, it doesn’t make sense and you might not like the idea of Classic Sonic using it, but others might. And since you don’t HAVE to use it but those who want to CAN, then it’s a win/win situation. A compromise. It’s actually better. The only thing that’d be better than that is if they somehow allowed Modern Sonic to be able to spindash without NEEDING to.
Heck I even read this dude’s idea for future Sonic gameplay that included elements of both to choose your own style to play by and a lot of people, from different eras of fans, seemed to like it. And I like it to. Options are your friend. It gives you more freedom. And since you have the freedom to not use homing attack, you have the freedom to maintain your classic experience. You could worry about the target showing up urging you to use it, or you could appreciate it showing up letting you know when not to use it, as it merely lets you know when you’ll home onto something IF you press jump again and where it’ll go. (Besides, Sonic 3 & Knuckles had that pointless Insta-Shield thing you could use but rarely ever did. Just think of this as an improved version of that. XD)
@FoxBoy: “So tell me how come no one is upset that Modern Sonic ONLY has sidescrolling gameplay in the 3DS version?”
I’m sorry, but this statement in particular was very stupid, because people (at least on a gaming forum that I regularly visit) are upset that Modern Sonic is stuck in 2D on the 3DS version of the game.
@Amuro
I, personally, haven’t heard anyone complain about it. So how is that stupid? Seems more like uninformed than stupid. You couldn’t just said “Actually some ppl have complained” and I wouldn’t said “Oh okay. Well then I meant to say I haven’t heard many people complain.” and so on. (since that’s what I did with the spindash part, as I HAVE heard 1 or 2 ppl whine about that, but still not many.) But thank you anyways.
It’s in a Sonic fan’s nature to argue and insult each other immaturely rather than just talking things out. Heck. I’ve even seen some people argue and throw insults on ACCIDENT. However that’s possible. That’s why all the sane people keep their mouths shut and are invisible to you all.
And since I’ve commented… I’m inane too. T~T lol
*could’ve
Got my spelling mixed up. xD Mah bad. And that was an accident so that doesn’t count. >_>
@FoxBoy: Well, thinking that no one has complained about this is kinda ignorant. You don’t think I would be bitching that Emerald Coast is going to be strictly 2D when its game of origin was in 3D? The only reason I haven’t bitched about it here is because I was bitching about it on the forum I go to.
@Amuro
Like I said, I haven’t personally seen anyone complain. So why would I think it? I don’t have a problem with you correcting me if I’m mistaken. But there’s no reason to call it stupid.
And like I said, my point is now changed to how not a lot of people are complaining about it. =P
We’ it some sonic and mario
@Foxboy
Not in the mood to have an argument or “discussion” on this, but I will respond to this point:
And why the hell do they think it’s okay for them to tell us to stop complaining about them, but it’s not okay for us to tell them to stop complaining about the homing attack? There’s the contradiction.
You telling people to stop complaining sends the message that their feelings are invalid. You have no room or right to say that. There’s a HUGE difference between bitching about SOMETHING and bitching about bitching. You’re essentially trying to stifle free speech and all THEY’RE doing is trying to exercise it.
If you want to debate the legitimacy of those complaints with somebody who’s actually interested in doing so, you’re more than welcome to, but telling people they don’t have a right to feel shafted or irritated about something is just straight up god-moding douchebaggery.
If we need to “just ignore” the homing attack, then you need to “just ignore” the people who have a problem with it. Get off our backs, you’re not Sega’s doberman.
Guys !!! In WHAT Sonic Game Universe is the Homing Attack NOT optional ? Are you on crack ? Come on since the addition of that move it has always been jump , THEN Homing Attack . I highly doubt that Sonic will have an automatic sniper attack that activates once the red marker goes on and makes you do an automatic homing attack … guys seriously … stop smoking -___- .
IT.IS.OPTIONAL.
To all the peeps saying retro fans should chill with the HA distaste…why?
It’s true, Classic having the homing attack isn’t a gamebreaker if it’s optional. At this point nothing has been confirmed, so of course there’s no need for immature and irrational comments. But for a game still in development, it’s essential that the fanbase voice their concerns. If you wanna keep tabs, then retro fans are almost entitled to being worried or even cynical. It wasn’t until recently that Sega started showing the old school side of the fanbase some attention. Remember Sonic 4? How it promised to be a long-awaited return to the Classic formula “as we truly imagined it?” The hard-to-please stigma that retro fans have doesn’t come from it necessarily being true, but it comes from Sega promising to deliver something and failing. It is blatant, whether you worship the game or despise it, that Sonic 4 does not adhere to the Classic formula in any way possible and is the furthest thing from being a sequel to the original trilogy. Cranky old retrofags wouldn’t be so cranky if it were never billed as Sonic. Fucking. Four. Same thing goes for CLASSIC Sonic having the HA in Generations. And to everyone who assumes it really is optional, what are the chances of that being 100% true? People said the same thing about S4 : “Don’t use it if you don’t like it.”
…
You couldn’t finish the game unless you did.
When the time and effort is taken to conceptualize, design and produce a gameplay element, it wouldn’t make sense for any company to pay for the production of said element and not have it integrated in some essential form or fashion.
Remember that, because of the huge fuss made over S4, Sega was forced to explain why simply changing the physics and removing the HA wouldn’t work: all of the levels were designed to be played with it.
Food for thought.
First pic is the best. Shows that the Modern level will open the same as the original (on those grind rails).
Oh, and IMHO, having the HA implemented as something like the Gold Shield from 3D Blast would be a smart move. Modern fans get to keep the attack, and Classic fans get a nod to an older title. Two Flickies with one stone.
@Zephyr
Is it a time stone?
@ChaoticFox
Hahaha, that’s the word I was looking for. I was like, “Two Flickies with one… Chaos Emerald? Nope!
Chuck TestaTry again.”Ummm isn’t this Article about RADICAL FUCKING HIGHWAY!!?! So why the hell are you guys talking about Classic homing attack? All this debating seems pretty damn pointless to me. We don’t kno if classic sonic will have a homing attack unless we see it in action, so I suggest that you guys wait to see if it’s truly official or not. *looks at Radical highway scans* oooooh these look nice
@ChaoticFox
And it doesn’t really call for one. You responded to me when you didn’t have to. >.>
And then you have a lot to say afterwards. x_X
Well I’m NOT telling ppl to not complain. I originally just pointed out how difficult and irrational some people were acting. You’re the ones who had a problem with what I said, responded and snowballed an “argument”. And this isn’t an argument cuz I’m not arguing anything. I’ve already said what I said, made my point and nothing can change that. What am I gonna do? Repeat myself? Cuz I can’t make any more sense than I already have.
And why do you have anything to say about my complaints?
You telling me to stop complaining sends the message that my feelings are invalid. You have no room or right to say that. There’s a HUGE difference between bitching about SOMETHING and bitching about bitching. You’re essentially trying to stifle free speech and all WE’RE doing is trying to exercise it.
Hey, that little bit looks identical to what you said. ChaoticFox, meet irony, the focus of my last point. >.>
@ChaoticFox
“If you want to debate the legitimacy of those complaints with somebody who’s actually interested in doing so, you’re more than welcome to”
Well those interested in doing so who responded to me then lost interest.
Fortunately I’m not interested in debating over something that doesn’t exist.
“telling people they don’t have a right to feel shafted or irritated about something is just straight up god-moding douchebaggery.”
Fortunately, again, I didn’t do that. I never told anyone they didn’t have the right to do anything. UNFORTUNATELY, those who didn’t like my opinion on the behavior backlashed. But if they can’t get over something so stupid, then I guess the reaction was predictable. But no one cares. It just blends in with the rest of the ocean.
If we need to “just ignore” the people who have a problem with it, then those people need to “just ignore” those who have a problem with their behavior. I’ll keep saying it whenever you keep bringing up that stupid double-standard and you’ll get annoyed with it it, thinking you’re right and I’m stubborn. But the truth is it’s either all or none. Either you should stop worrying about my opinion, I should stop worrying about their opinions and they should stop worrying about the homing attack, or we should all just deal with each other’s complaints. Unfortunately, neither one of those “solutions” make sense because the core of the spiral doesn’t make sense.
If you don’t want to talk to me then don’t talk to me if you see something you don’t like in my post. Take your own advice and get off MY back.
PS: You’re mistaken. Like I said, I’m not telling anyone they’re not allowed to feel a certain way or that it isn’t right. I’m basically just saying “You’re overreacting, calm down.” Everyone else has pretty much just tried to help them not feel so bad about the issue with the homing attack. It’s them who started getting agressive in response. >_>
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Ignoring the ridiculous back and forth argument about whose opinion is more valid than whose…!
I only own a 3DS, I was looking forward to Generations.
I will not however support yet another PR stunt/gamble where the game does not match the product description which SEGA – not the fans – SEGA, put forward for this game.
SEGA specifically promised two separate, different styles of gameplay for Sonic Generations.
Classic Sonic having the homing attack breaks this promise in the 3DS version of the game.
Based on past experience, the homing attack will not be optional. Case in point: the radical highway scans already indicate a level of homing attack chains. Look carefully.
It’s not rocket science: I don’t like being lied to, as a consumer.
Sonic Generations 3DS – which promised a classic and a modern experience of the two Sonics, separate to one another, as per the console versions – effectively is a sham.
It’s the principle, first and foremost, of wanting the classic experience and then finding that experience tainted.
I don’t see why I should have to lower my standards when the console versions get the classic experience. So should the 3DS owners.
Whether my opinion has any bearing on anyone else is irrelevant. That’s my position – Sega is not getting my money this time around.
@Zephyr Why? Because it’s not that big of an issue. No one’s saying you have to like it just stop getting so worked up over something so little. You can say you’re not or say you’re justified but the fact is it’s a freakin move you can optionally use on a fictional character. Try letting your friends and family hear you talk the way some of these ppl are complainin’. You’d sound like a lunatic. hehe
But also, at least for the Classic stages, you KNOW Classic Sonic doesn’t need it because they’re remakes of the original Classic stages which don’t require it.
Sonic 4 has nothing to do with this because Sonic 4 weren’t remakes of old stages. (Arguably lol) The point is they considered the homing attack a progression like the spindash and elemental shields. And, despite the bad phyiscs, you COULD get through the game, quite easily, without the homing attack. The spindash gets used more tho.
And who cares if it’s called Sonic 4? Everyone’s said before that the name doesn’t make the game. It’s just a name.
But yeah. Telling people to chill out and shut up are 2 different things. And no, I think the game’s no longer in developement.
@copley hill zone, you’ve hit the nail on the head.
As for the level, I bet that jet shooting at Sonic in the first pic follows Sonic during the level the same way the truck does on escape the city in the console version.
@Emily
I have to question the below.
“But also, at least for the Classic stages, you KNOW Classic Sonic doesn’t need it because they’re remakes of the original Classic stages which don’t require it”.
So…Radical Highway? The very focus of this latest bit of news? The stage both Sonics will play in? Is that an original Classic stage? Will that actually play like an original classic stage, with the homing attack present for Classic Sonic?
Ask yourself the question.
@Mass57
True. But tell me this, ever since you’ve been using the homing attack have you ever went through an entire game without having to use it?
@Renzy
It started with the “Now will you believe us about the classic homing attack?” comment, that’s why were talking about it. We knew Radical Highway was next up, plus they’re bad scans! You can barely make anything out, what’s there to comment about?
Maybe it hints towards a modern in classic level or classic in modern level type game mode…
@FoxBoy
Is anybody TRULY overreacting? Is a grieving mother overreacting when she sobs over the loss of her son? Some people might see it so, if they do not value life or family ties. Yes, that is a ridiculously extreme example, but it represents the point I’m trying to make.
Ultimately, this is a video game. So even if something that seems insignificant to you bothers them to the point where they don’t buy the game, the fact that they’re not going to purchase a video game is not actually a world-shattering event. In the end, who cares?
I could choose not to buy a video game based on a dislike of the cover art and that’s not really an “overreaction”. It’s just a consumer decision. Me deciding what is and isn’t important to me, and to what degree it will affect the way I choose to spend my money.
Now, if the homing attack bothered someone to the point where they felt they needed to go to Sega HQ and plant a bomb… then you could make the argument that they’re overreacting. But allowing something to bother you enough to casually drop a negative comment on TSSZ, or to affect whether or not you choose to buy a FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT, I hardly think that’s evidence of any kind of “irrational thinking” or melodramatic behavior.
People who complain on the internet usually don’t go to bed at night seething with rage or dreaming up ways to kill the person who caused them to complain, lol. It’s usually just “hey, this thing bugs me – since I’m already here and there’s an open comment section, I’m going to let my feelings be known and then move on (unless somebody tries to tell me I’m wrong! lol)”.
I remember when Sonic 4 came out and people told me I was “overreacting” about the physics. I’m sorry, but the physics of the classic gameplay were the heart and soul of those games TO ME. They were a colossal part of what made me like them. Consequently, I was not able to like Sonic 4. Am I overreacting? Am I irrational? Or am I just expressing an opinion based on what matters to me?
Telling me I’m overreacting (in that situation) is like telling me that what matters to me is wrong, and that it shouldn’t matter as much as it does.
I don’t have a problem with you having a dissenting opinion about the HA. But calling people overreacting/irrational “babies” and taking the tone you took with Sonical (which is sort of what set me off in the first place, I think) just because you can’t see/don’t agree with their perspective isn’t really called for.
All that being said (sheesh!) – you have to realize that I do agree with you. I DON’T think the HA is game-breaking, and if I owned a 3DS I would still be getting this version even if the HA was mandatory and included from the start. I would be disappointed, absolutely, and I would probably have less fun than I would playing a game without it, but I would have fun nonetheless.
But that’s just me. To some people, the HA issue is a bigger deal. It does seem sad to me that those people would let that one thing ruin the rest of the game (and maybe that’s where you’re coming from by trying to “calm people down”), but I know I don’t really have room to tell them what should and shouldn’t matter to them, or how they ought to spend their money.
Maybe I just have a problem with your method, not your intention.
@Emily
Why? Because it’s not that big of an issue. No one’s saying you have to like it just stop getting so worked up over something so little. You can say you’re not or say you’re justified but the fact is it’s a freakin move you can optionally use on a fictional character.
The people complaining about it are expressing their dislike over an aspect of a form of entertainment. The people who have a problem with it are getting worked up over something even smaller: the fact that someone else dislikes something, despite the fact that their opinion in no way affects you or your life. OH GOD, SOME STRANGER ON THE INTERNET NO LONGER WANTS TO BUY THE GAME I LIKE! MASS HYSTERIA! EVERYBODY CALM DOWN AND INITIATE DAMAGE CONTROL!
A negative opinion isn’t the end of the goddamn world, and it doesn’t really signify any kind of lunacy
Shit, forgot my /i bracket.